Was Suggs really playing basketball, after all?

[BleedPurple92]

Who gives a shit.

[bmorebirds_24]

Repetitive motion type injury.

It's something you see similar to runners injuries. The same motion over time tears down the tendons and surrounding muscle until they finally give out.

Oh ok. I know nothing about the injury but from what I heard on the radio and someone has told me that its pretty tough to come back from right away. I can't help but to think when they said Nolan Reimold of the Orioles may be done for his career but he came back after this same injury.

I guess time will tell. Hopefully Suggs can get himself right before long.

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[Corey]

Honestly, I care more about Suggs desire to play this season than I do what he was doing when he got hurt. I'll be beyond blown if he misses half of this season, still comes back to soon, injures it worse and puts next season in jeopardy. I really hope the Ravens shut him down and leave him there.

[Mike B]

I've never quite figured out why playing basketball is considered a dumb way to stay in shape compared to some of the other bizarre training routines (like throwing around tractor tires).

To me a non story. it is a way tostay in shape. A certain SS who played a whole lot of games in a row played a lot of basketball. He even has a gym in his house. It happens, nothing to complain about IMO.

[RavNMadMan]

Mike B put the finger on it. An athlete playing sports in the off-season should hardly be considered a dangerous activity. Now other shit like motorcycle w/o helmet etc should be considered out of bounds (no pun) IMO. I was surprised by the ESPN article only because of the timing. I never thought the Ravens would go after Sizzle for $, they simply don't roll like that.

The Ravens are a class act.....always have been. Nothing to see here folks.

[alien bird]

Things happen.

Prohibiting a player from playing basketball in the off season makes as much sense as prohibiting a player from using the stairs in the middle of the night.

[pslholder96]

This is a non-story. A first class organization with a first class state of the art training facility that includes a basketball court won't withold any money from Suggs regardless of this latest revelation.

[wickedsolo]

I agree that this is a non-story. Accidents happen. At least he was doing something active and he wasn't crashing a motorcycle in a parking lot being a dumbass on it or something.

All the Ravens care about is getting him healthy and trying to get him out on the field this year.

[GOTA]

Who gives a shit.

PFT seems to. They kept on printing how the Ravens could take away money from Suggs if they wanted to when clearly they never would.

[esmd]

Couldn't care less. And I understand if he tried to keep it quiet, since the media and some ppl would (and are) being stupid about it. It's not like he was doing something crazy like basejumping or cave diving.

[404Blackbird]

I'm of the firm belief that players should be sealed in carbonite at season's end and held under Jabba's palace until the start of training camp.

[Dirt1]

Isn't playing basketball prohibited in the CBA? If so, why have it in there if you are not going to enforce that ban?

[pslholder96]

Isn't playing basketball prohibited in the CBA? If so, why have it in there if you are not going to enforce that ban?

I seriously doubt it. If so does that mean the ravens have to rip out their basketball court?

[Dirt1]

I seriously doubt it. If so does that mean the ravens have to rip out their basketball court?

I think the ban applies to playing basketball outside of team facilities. I think it is a stupid ban, but I have heard it referred to several times as being in the CBA.

[jonboy79]

PFT seems to. They kept on printing how the Ravens could take away money from Suggs if they wanted to when clearly they never would.

The story is that they CAN, not that they WILL.

I'd rather him risk injury playing basketball, then come to camp out of shape like a few years ago when it took him most of the season to get into shape.
Basketball, IMO, is great cardio exercise that is interesting and FUN, so it encourages longer, harder workouts then a stationary bike and the like. True it is higher impact with some risk of injury, but who cares. We are talking abotu world class athletes who presumably have good balance, stretchign habits and some talent and ability to play general sports.

bad luck, that's it.
I still say that unless the CBA prohibits it they should take away what salary then can, and have Stevie B pay him to "headhunt' for him in the interim, half a mil a week or whatever he would have been paid... I'm sure hte CBA does prohibit it, so just leavve him alone and let him rehab.

[Paintballguy]

PFT and ESPN are trying to drum up a story. That's all it is. Injuries can happen doing anything. It was just bad luck for Suggs and the Ravens. I know everyone remembers Welker and Andre Johnson blowing out their ACL's without being touched.

[alien bird]

I think the ban applies to playing basketball outside of team facilities. I think it is a stupid ban, but I have heard it referred to several times as being in the CBA.

I don't see it, but maybe you can. Here is the entire CBA:

https://images.nflplayers.com/mediaR...es/2011CBA.pdf

There are references to "non-football related injuries" concerning compensation (page 128) and injury grievances (page 193), but I did not see the word basketball specifically mentioned at all. There is the ability of the club to place a player who has a non-football related injury on a non-football injury list, and then the player is not paid, although the years on the contract continue to accrue. So in that case basketball isn't prohibited, but a player can lose salary from an injury gotten while playing basketball (non-football related). I think that's where the Ravens are choosing (wisely) not to go.

Maybe it's in another section but I doubt it. I only skimmed it, however.

[bmorecareful]

I agree that playing basketball in and of itself isn't a problematic sort of thing for a professional football player, since injuries can happen at any time while engaged in any activity (although it's inarguable that playing basketball is riskier than walking down the street or sitting on the couch.)

But the business aspect of this discussion is more complicated than that. It's not just about what Suggs was doing, it's that he was doing it while not in any way under the control and supervision of the Ravens organization. He was engaging in an activity that 1) risked damaging his ability to carry out his contractual obligations, 2) wasn't sanctioned or supervised by the team, and 3) wasn't incidental to the activities of everyday life (i.e. he wasn't walking down the street or bending over to pick up a book at the library.)

He could have torn his Achilles while engaging in a Ravens-sanctioned charity sporting event, or while playing basketball on the Ravens' basketball court in their own facility, or while doing squats in the Ravens' gym at the facility while under the supervision of their trainers, but those situations would be VERY different because in those hypothetical situations Suggs would be subject to the control and supervision of the Ravens' organization and presumably had their approval to do those things.

So I think it is a little bit hairy here and not quite as much of a non-story as people are making it. Some say Ben's motorcycle accident was clearly unacceptable while this is clearly acceptable, but where do you draw that line? The only way for players IMO to really completely clear themselves against any liability here is at a minimum to make sure they have team approval before engaging in any kind of extracurricular athletics or anything of that nature. Maybe it sounds excessive, but at least it's consistent.

The fact that Suggs continues to apparently lie about it also concerns me, to be honest. If it's not a big deal, why lie about it?

[wickedsolo]

The fact that Suggs continues to apparently lie about it also concerns me, to be honest. If it's not a big deal, why lie about it?

Following his agent's & the Ravens Organization's lead?

[Shas]

I didn't realize Suggs has talked about how it happened since the couple of days after it happened. I guess I must have missed later denials by him.