Cam Cameron Hatred

**RavenMaven52** · 06-07-2012, 07:44 PM

I am obviously new here so I just want to get a feel on what I have been reading here and on other (less cool) Ravens forums. There is an awful lot of negative Cam Cameron talk going on, and I'd like to know why? You guys realize he isn't the guy that drops passes right? Nor does he throw untimely picks. Flacco, Boldin, Housh, and Evans are not Cam Cameron. Just because you all don't think he is creative doesn't mean he isn't successful and good at what he does, nor does it mean he isn't creative. I actually think his pre snap shiftiness can be very creative. He has also run wildcat, double reverses, hb passes and many others. I know winning a Super Bowl would be great, and last year Cam did in fact call all the right plays to get us there. The players were the ones that dropped the ball last year and in years past, not Cameron. I'll be the first to say I don't always agree with his run/pass ratio, but he knows how to win games. That cannot be argued. Basically I think the play calling has been okay and the scheme is relatively good, but the execution has been lacking in key moments.

Anyway, can someone tell me how some random new O coordinator would be better than Cam? Because I don't necessarily think that person would be.

**HoustonRaven** · 06-07-2012, 07:45 PM

Oh boy.

Here we go again. I'm gonna kick back and watch this one play out.

**ballhawk** · 06-07-2012, 07:58 PM

You lost me at pre-snap shiftiness.

**RavenMaven52** · 06-07-2012, 08:02 PM

**GOTA** · 06-07-2012, 08:05 PM

Just go back and find Greg Cosell's comments about how Cam's offense is a 40 year old dinosaur and how shocked he is to see it being used in the NFL. That's all you need to know

**RavenMaven52** · 06-07-2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Just go back and find Greg Cosell's comments about how Cam's offense is a 40 year old dinosaur and how shocked he is to see it being used in the NFL. That's all you need to know

Ok thanks I'll check it out. But are we really the only team that runs this system?

**HoustonRaven** · 06-07-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by RavenMaven52

Ok thanks I'll check it out. But are we really the only team that runs this system?

Us and the Chargers.

**GOTA** · 06-07-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by RavenMaven52

Ok thanks I'll check it out. But are we really the only team that runs this system?

There are some teams that run a more modern version, like the one that Mike Martz ran on multiple teams, but no team runs it the way Cam does. The Chargers and Raiders are probably the closest to the system Cam uses.

**Terpsfan82** · 06-07-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Oh boy.

Here we go again. I'm gonna kick back and watch this one play out.

I actually laughed out loud at this.

**RavenMaven52** · 06-07-2012, 08:13 PM

Listening to a Cosell interview about Cam now

**wickedsolo** · 06-07-2012, 08:51 PM

I dislike Cam because of his beady eyes and how he wears hats that don't quite seem to really fit that large dome of his.

**BcRaven** · 06-07-2012, 08:55 PM

Cam is like a driver at the Indy 500, who won't go over 40 MPH. Safe YES, but win the race...well ... Bc

**RavenMaven52** · 06-07-2012, 09:07 PM

Ok I see what Cosell is saying. We use too many 2 wide sets in his opinion. He may very well be correct. But when Cam was asked about what Cosell said Cam said he is "trying to win the division". I get what Cam is saying there. He wants to be conservative because with a defense like ours and Ray Rice he thinks turnovers are killers (which I agree with) and it is more likely to throw a pick than it is to fumble.
I can't say I totally agree with Cameron, but I can't say the reason our offense sucks at times is entirely because of him. Maybe we could have better stats, but as far as winning I don't know if a new O coordinator would win us any more games than Cameron has. We were a dropped pass and a missed field goal from a chance to be in The Super Bowl. Cosell sounds like he blames the receivers also, which is good. The fact is most of the year Evans was out and our number 3 WR would have been a nobody. Doss is a bit slow from what I understand, and LaQuan can't catch from what I have seen. So who would have been more viable, one of them or Vonta/Pitta?
Cameron does also point out that his offense in San Diego was among the best in the game. So I think it is possible to flourish in his system, maybe we just need a viable 3rd target (looking at you Jacoby). Then again when you look back at who flourished in San Diego when Cameron was there it was Gates, LT, Brees, Rivers and not so much their wide receivers.
I guess it all just comes down to personal taste in what you want the offensive scheme to be, but in my opinion we should have the ability to win either way as long as we have a viable 3rd or 4th target.

**AirFlacco** · 06-07-2012, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

Cam is like a driver at the Indy 500, who won't go over 40 MPH. Safe YES, but win the race...well ... Bc

Not to get technical but the top qualifying speeds for this year's Indy 500 were over 224 mph
so CAM has to go really fast to even qualify.

Just saying ya know. He didn't drop the ball in the end zone with
25 secs left but he sure got us there.

When he thanked Ozzie for keeping him on Ozzie said it was never in our minds
that you were leaving.

TRANSLATED: ONLY IN THE FANS MINDS!

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012/...sults-pole-day

**GOTA** · 06-08-2012, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

Cam is like a driver at the Indy 500, who won't go over 40 MPH. Safe YES, but win the race...well ... Bc

Lol...that's a pretty good analogy.

**Ravenswintitle** · 06-08-2012, 07:24 AM

Everyone points to that Cosell article where he compared it to the 60's and to me that's why I don't have a lot of credibilty in Cosell sometimes. He obviously said that statement out of emotion or there is some kind of rift there. Guess in all his film watching he missed the Chargers in the 80s.

Personally I believe the (sometimes) conservative play calling comes from Harbs and Cam is just doing what he's told. The Coryell system was developed to open up passing and can be very explosive

**wickedsolo** · 06-08-2012, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Everyone points to that Cosell article where he compared it to the 60's and to me that's why I don't have a lot of credibilty in Cosell sometimes. He obviously said that statement out of emotion or there is some kind of rift there. Guess in all his film watching he missed the Chargers in the 80s.

Personally I believe the (sometimes) conservative play calling comes from Harbs and Cam is just doing what he's told. The Coryell system was developed to open up passing and can be very explosive

I would agree with you except that Cam's version of the Coryell has never been anywhere near an explosive passing offense.

It is almost entirely centered around the running back.

**GOTA** · 06-08-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Everyone points to that Cosell article where he compared it to the 60's and to me that's why I don't have a lot of credibilty in Cosell sometimes. He obviously said that statement out of emotion or there is some kind of rift there. Guess in all his film watching he missed the Chargers in the 80s.

Personally I believe the (sometimes) conservative play calling comes from Harbs and Cam is just doing what he's told. The Coryell system was developed to open up passing and can be very explosive

Cam isn't running the version the Chargers ran in the 80's. He's not running what Gibbs used either which was also the same basic system that the Chargers used but a different version and just as effective. Next time they show the Ghost to the Post game on the NFL Network watch the Raiders offense. That's what Cam is running. The problem is the rules are different now and that doesn't translate well to modern times.

**Corey** · 06-08-2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Everyone points to that Cosell article where he compared it to the 60's and to me that's why I don't have a lot of credibilty in Cosell sometimes. He obviously said that statement out of emotion or there is some kind of rift there. Guess in all his film watching he missed the Chargers in the 80s.

Personally I believe the (sometimes) conservative play calling comes from Harbs and Cam is just doing what he's told. The Coryell system was developed to open up passing and can be very explosive

I don't think Cam is conservative. He's aggressive but he lacks imagination and his playcalling is predictable. Flacco threw the ball 31 times in a game where he only had 10 completions and the defense scored 3 tds, the Jets game. If I remember correctly most of those pass attempts came in the first half. In that situation, I absolutely believe Harbaugh put the breaks on the Air Flacco show, and rightfully so because it wasn't working.

**Terpsfan82** · 06-08-2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

I don't think Cam is conservative. He's aggressive but he lacks imagination and his playcalling is predictable. Flacco threw the ball 31 times in a game where he only had 10 completions and the defense scored 3 tds, the Jets game. If I remember correctly most of those pass attempts came in the first half. In that situation, I absolutely believe Harbaugh put the breaks on the Air Flacco show, and rightfully so because it wasn't working.

Why should the HC have to intervene during a game where everyone, even fans watching at home, could see the gameplan was ineffective? That's my other concern with him. He has no feel for the flow of the game.