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    Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's



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    “Courtney is going to be a good physical player,” Oher said. “He’s going to bring a lot to the table for that defense. I think he’s doing a fantastic job already. He’s tough to block and he’s doing great.”

    If Upshaw can develop quickly and legitimately start, he could make a real run at Defensive ROY.
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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    OTAs have been so watered down there is just no way to know. They're not even allowed to run one on one drills. It's a nice quote but it really doesn't mean anything because no one has seen any rookie in a really football related drill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
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    If Upshaw can develop quickly and legitimately start, he could make a real run at Defensive ROY.
    do to circumstances, i think hes a shoe in to start. Not sure his production will be DROY worthy though. If he gets 5-6 sacks, which i dont think he will personally, and 35-45 tackles has that ever been enough to win? seems like it usually goes to DBs with 5+ picks or ILB with 100+ tackles or pass rushers with 10+ sacks. If he gets 10 id say hes worthy, but imo i think thats a lofty goal for him.

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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    OTAs have been so watered down there is just no way to know. They're not even allowed to run one on one drills. It's a nice quote but it really doesn't mean anything because no one has seen any rookie in a really football related drill.
    I think he'll be better in pads, honestly.

    I see him as being a lot more effective IN pads than out of them. In pads he can really use his hands, leverage, and those tree-trunk arms of his.
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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    do to circumstances, i think hes a shoe in to start. Not sure his production will be DROY worthy though. If he gets 5-6 sacks, which i dont think he will personally, and 35-45 tackles has that ever been enough to win? seems like it usually goes to DBs with 5+ picks or ILB with 100+ tackles or pass rushers with 10+ sacks. If he gets 10 id say hes worthy, but imo i think thats a lofty goal for him.

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    I hear you.

    I think he could definitely produce 7-9 sacks with 50+ tackles. Maybe a few forced fumbles. Of course, this is assuming he starts every game. A lot of his production will hinge on Kruger and the other guys along the DL.
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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    I think Upshaw weighed in at over 270 lbs(?) He did mention losing weight. Perhaps he may be more effective in the 260 - 265 range... Bc




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    Something that COULD work in Upshaw's favor is Dean Pees. When he was a DC in New England he ran a very traditional 2-gap 3-4, which is very different from what we've had here in the past with our hybrid 4-3. We didn't send the SAM backer to rush the passer as much in our system. If Upshaw is a traditional 3-4 LOLB he'll get more chances to rush the passer than JJ ever did.

    Pees got a lot of good effort out of his OLBs in New England. Who did he really have to work with? Roosevelt Colvin, Mike Vrabel, and Adalius Thomas were all well over the hill by the time he got there and they still produced decent numbers. Tully Banta-Cain had 10 sacks in 2009 but was out of the NFL by 2011.

    Kruger and Upshaw might be the most talented OLBs he's ever worked with (not BEST, just the most talented.) I've been saying it throughout the whole process, but people are going to be really surprised at Upshaw. The day after the BCS Championship he's cemented his status as one of the most feared pass rushers and overall defenders in college football, but come draft day he's a slow, fat guy who "won't ever be a real NFL pass rusher" according to some. I don't think he needs any more motivation than that...




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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I hear you.

    I think he could definitely produce 7-9 sacks with 50+ tackles. Maybe a few forced fumbles. Of course, this is assuming he starts every game. A lot of his production will hinge on Kruger and the other guys along the DL.
    There is definitely the possibility and i hope he does. Even if hes an integral part of this defense, which im sure he will be, im just not sure where hes really going to excel, setting the edge and run stopping, is going to get him DROY. playing every game will certainly help. Hes just not the passrusher Suggs was coming out and Suggs got 12 as a specialist in this scheme, id be really surprised without suggs being there to take focus, that he produces that same level. id almost like his chances better if Suggs was here and Upshaw was only used on 3rd downs.
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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Something that COULD work in Upshaw's favor is Dean Pees. When he was a DC in New England he ran a very traditional 2-gap 3-4, which is very different from what we've had here in the past with our hybrid 4-3. We didn't send the SAM backer to rush the passer as much in our system. If Upshaw is a traditional 3-4 LOLB he'll get more chances to rush the passer than JJ ever did.

    Pees got a lot of good effort out of his OLBs in New England. Who did he really have to work with? Roosevelt Colvin, Mike Vrabel, and Adalius Thomas were all well over the hill by the time he got there and they still produced decent numbers. Tully Banta-Cain had 10 sacks in 2009 but was out of the NFL by 2011.

    Kruger and Upshaw might be the most talented OLBs he's ever worked with (not BEST, just the most talented.) I've been saying it throughout the whole process, but people are going to be really surprised at Upshaw. The day after the BCS Championship he's cemented his status as one of the most feared pass rushers and overall defenders in college football, but come draft day he's a slow, fat guy who "won't ever be a real NFL pass rusher" according to some. I don't think he needs any more motivation than that...
    Well, when he showed up to Alabama's pro day at 280lbs it really made you question what was going on there. Sure, the guy is a player - no doubt - but there is a lot that goes into it and there were many who were questioning what was going on there.

    I'm excited to have him because I think he's got a lot of the skills that will work well in Baltimore's defense, but I was (am) nervous about him as a pass rusher because he's really not a quick-twitch athlete and it may be hard for him to shake NFL tackles.

    That said, he seems to acknowledge that playing at 265 may be better for his overall game. It certainly will provide some more quickness for him. His best asset (IMO) is just pure strength. I wouldn't be surprised if (lb for lb) he was one of the strongest guys in the locker room. He's built like a tank. That's why I think we'll get a much better idea of how he'll do when they put the pads on and implement some more realistic scenarios. I see him as a grip-n-rip kind of pass rusher. I don't see him pulling too many "under" moves and running around OT's, but I think if he can get up and into an OT and really use that leverage and strength then he'll be pretty successful.
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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    Who is going to say anything negative at this point? Lots of grains of salt to pass around for the comments.

    One comment bothered me though
    “Courtney is going to be a good physical player,” Oher said. “He’s going to bring a lot to the table for that defense.....
    Maybe nit-picky but the word 'that' bothered me, I would have hoped to see "for our defense" not "for that defense".
    Just tells me that the team isn't a team yet.... the D, perhaps because of the change at DC, and free agent exits isn't considered as "my defense" yet by Oher. No crisis, camp coming, and team bonding should happen down the road.... just a sobering reminder that while teams are the same every year, they can also be very different.
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    Re: Vets impressions of Rookies after OTA's

    Quote Originally Posted by Rxdoxx View Post
    Who is going to say anything negative at this point? Lots of grains of salt to pass around for the comments.

    One comment bothered me though


    Maybe nit-picky but the word 'that' bothered me, I would have hoped to see "for our defense" not "for that defense".
    Just tells me that the team isn't a team yet.... the D, perhaps because of the change at DC, and free agent exits isn't considered as "my defense" yet by Oher. No crisis, camp coming, and team bonding should happen down the road.... just a sobering reminder that while teams are the same every year, they can also be very different.
    I think you're being a bit nitpicky.

    This is Oher we're talking about...he's not what I would call a "word smith".
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