I would like to exercise my 2nd...

**HoustonRaven** · 06-23-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

HR, so you are not a fan of the S&W M&P? Are yoiu not complaining about the gun simply the company? It's a highly regarded sub Glock budget firearm.

It's the company.

I bought a Bodyguard 380 two years ago. The inner spring broke clean in half and I called them for a simple replacement. Long story short, they ran me around for a better part of an hour, refusing to send me a replacement, even after acknowledging they had a warranty card on file for me.

To show the comparison, I bought a Glock 19 for my wife and she was having a failure-to-feed issue even after its break-in period. 10 minutes on the phone with their customer service and I had an RFA number and a guarantee from them to overnight a new gun to her.

**HoustonRaven** · 06-23-2012, 02:24 PM

Not sure of the MD laws anymore, but I always buy my ammo from this place. Great prices and you can buy in bulk to save money.

cheaperthandirt.com

**wickedsolo** · 06-23-2012, 09:12 PM

What are the thoughts on Taurus?

Or High Point?

**HoustonRaven** · 06-24-2012, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

What are the thoughts on Taurus?

Or High Point?

My only experience with Taurus was with my father. He bought one about 10 years ago, ran about 2,000 round through it over a 3 year period and it was done. The barrel was basically unthreaded at that point, the firing pin broke and the the external safety wouldn't turn to safe. Some of my friends love Taurus and their products though. I've heard good things about their 1911 series but I've yet to shoot it.

I've not shot or really heard anything on High Point.

I'm a big believer in the notion that you get what you pay for when it comes to firearms. Taurus is cheaper then Glock or Sig Sauer, but there is a realistic chance you'll be buying another weapon much sooner. Over the span of a decade or so, you'll actually spend less if your initial purchase is a high quality firearm.

**Irish Raven** · 06-24-2012, 08:44 AM

Fascinating thread, stuff here that is not possible this side of the pond
It's possible to buy rifles and shotguns but you have to apply to the police superindendant, this may take weeks but more likely to take months. There is an interview too
You have to show a need, for example you are a farmer with livestock or you are a member of a hunting club. A gun safe is required, that's fair enough

As for pistols, it's damn near impossible to get a licence for one.
It was legally challenged using arguments from the International Olympic Committee for a pistol for target shooting but even that's been restricted.

Goes back to terrorism and gangs stealing legally owned guns. That's over now but the laws remain

Great thread

**HoustonRaven** · 06-24-2012, 09:13 AM

Great perspective, Irish.

I bet the notion of carrying a pistol is even more foreign, yet I was carrying one pretty much all day yesterday.

In Texas, if you take a 10 hour class, pass a state and federal background check, submit fingerprints and pass a shooting qualification course, you can get a license to carry a firearm concealed. Texas has one of the lowest violent crime rates per capita in the US, running counterintuitive to most of the thinking in Europe that more guns equals more crime.

**wickedsolo** · 06-24-2012, 09:24 AM

My friend is stationed in England and he told me that nobody can get a gun in England unless you're a special part of the police dept or government or something. Cops don't even carry over there.

**Irish Raven** · 06-24-2012, 09:30 AM

Hah, I've never seen a pistol in real life.

I'd probably getting a shock walking around Baltimore and seeing police with guns! They are unarmed here, much the same in the UK.
Some special units are armed of course but not the men and ladies on the street.

When you have such gun laws the law abiding citizens obey them but the criminals don't care, they still have them anyway.
No leader wants to touch it though and so it will remain

**wickedsolo** · 06-25-2012, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Irish Raven

Hah, I've never seen a pistol in real life.

I'd probably getting a shock walking around Baltimore and seeing police with guns! They are unarmed here, much the same in the UK.
Some special units are armed of course but not the men and ladies on the street.

When you have such gun laws the law abiding citizens obey them but the criminals don't care, they still have them anyway.
No leader wants to touch it though and so it will remain

Not to turn this into a political thread, but this is exactly why anyone claiming that the 2nd amendment gives way to gun crimes and whatnot is insane.

Criminals will get guns and use them regardless of what the laws are.

**Kevlar** · 06-26-2012, 06:44 AM

I've got a Steyr M40 that I am very happy with. The .40 S&W is a modern round which is a compromise between the accuracy of a 9mm and the stopping power of a .45. A little more recoil than the 9mm, rounds are a little more expensive. It is a great shooting very comfortable gun.

**HoustonRaven** · 06-26-2012, 06:56 AM

I used to have a Sig Sauer P239 .40 and I kick myself everyday that I sold it.

Solid, smooth weapon. Very accurate and a real pleasure to shoot.

Wicked, you may want to consider .40. As stated, it's a great compromise.

**wickedsolo** · 06-26-2012, 07:58 AM

I am considering a 40, but the cost of ammo is something that I'm considering.

**Kevlar** · 06-26-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I am considering a 40, but the cost of ammo is something that I'm considering.

You will never beat the cost of 9mm ammo since it is used by pretty much every standing army in the world. Surplus 9mm is dirt cheap.

**wickedsolo** · 07-01-2012, 07:20 PM

Think I may go with the Beretta PX4 9mm since I'm familiar with Beretta handguns to begin with. It's a gun that I feel comfortable that my wife can handle as well.

So, when you go to these indoor range/shops do you pay to try out a gun? How does that work? Seems like you might be kind of hard pressed to convince the shop to just let you go shoot their weapons...just because...I don't know.

If you order online, how does that work? I'm assuming it's similar to most return policies...so if I got the Beretta and it had a 30-day return policy or something, I'd take it to a range, shoot it, and if it wasn't working properly or something I'd return it in exchange for something else/refund?

**HoustonRaven** · 07-01-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

So, when you go to these indoor range/shops do you pay to try out a gun? How does that work? Seems like you might be kind of hard pressed to convince the shop to just let you go shoot their weapons...just because...I don't know.

Most ranges have gun rentals. Call around and make sure they have the weapon you're interested in buying available to rent. I know you're in VA so you shouldn't have an issue finding one that carries a fare amount of Beretta products.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

If you order online, how does that work? I'm assuming it's similar to most return policies...so if I got the Beretta and it had a 30-day return policy or something, I'd take it to a range, shoot it, and if it wasn't working properly or something I'd return it in exchange for something else/refund?

The gun won't be delivered to your home. You'll have to find a Class III arms dealer who, for a fee, will conduct the transaction for you. There is a lot of paperwork involved in buying a gun online so your best bet is to find a gun shop that carries that particular model and buy it from them. Gun manufacturers don't take refunds. But reputable companies like Beretta have excellent customer service so if something breaks, it's covered via their warranty. Find a weapon you like before you buy it because you'll be stuck with it until it dies or you sell / trade it.

**AirFlacco** · 07-02-2012, 01:30 AM

Don't look on google for your guns and ammo.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/google-s...s-results.html

**wickedsolo** · 07-02-2012, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Don't look on google for your guns and ammo.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/google-s...s-results.html

Now thats interesting. Not really anything new though. Google has massive databases of ip-based searches. It catalogues practically everything.

**AirFlacco** · 07-02-2012, 08:11 AM

But no more guns.

It's not selling them anymore and Pelosi said the 2d amendment was
still on the agenda. A lot of heavy shit is coming down if he is
re-elected now that health care stands.

This is a major outlet that gave up their right to sell guns.

**HoustonRaven** · 07-02-2012, 08:38 AM

What a silly thing to do for Google.

This does absolutely nothing to stop the sale of ammo or weapons. I can still do a Google search and find hundreds of retailers who will still sell me ammo and guns.

They must have done this to appease someone in the Government.