Doss Fully Recovered and 10 pounds heavier

**BcRaven** · 06-26-2012, 06:11 PM

to JAB1985,

Something you'll like to read about Doss :

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...t-tandon-doss/

... Bc

**blacknpurplepain** · 06-27-2012, 08:38 AM

I think the word BUST is overly used. I believe in the long run Doss will see playing time as the season moves on. I think he replaces Boulin next year and will see playing time in 3 wide receiver sets. I think a lot of fans Doss wasn't good bc he was behind Williams but in reality he had health issues. I think the weight gain will help him out muscle some db's. Some of the greatest wide receiver lacked speed but their route running made up for it. I was told that all routes should look the same once u take the 5 steps off the LOS like head movement, steps taken, foot placement. Torrey Holt from the Rams was a great route runner and paid attention to detail like how far the db played off him, which technique the db used coming out his back pedal, he also know which db played aggressive and the most important he could read defenses.

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**Mike B** · 06-27-2012, 10:19 PM

I looked at last year as a red shirt year for Doss. The injuries, no OTA's and a giant step up in class made it tough for him. His hands are good. He has size so let's see if he becomes the sleeper Raven for this year.

**srobert96** · 06-28-2012, 07:51 AM

Boldin, Tsmith and Jones have solid positions on the roster. The other 3 spots are somewhat up for grabs. Jones has a spot because he is a veteran presence and he can play special teams. After that I think you have 4 guys going for 3 spots.

**LukeDaniel** · 06-28-2012, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by srobert96

After that I think you have 4 guys going for 3 spots.

I agree with your basic premise, but I don't think Doss has much to worry about. I don't think LaQuan Williams should be overly worried either.

Unless D. Thompson shows himself to be insanely loaded with potential to a point that shocks everyone, I think the WR position is pretty straightforward. Boldin and Smith are our starters. Jacoby Jones, Doss, and LaQuan will battle for snaps as the #3 WR. Streeter and Thompson will battle for that last WR spot. If Streeter wins, Thompson likely gets cut and put on the practice squad. If the Ravens sense that Thompson provides more immediate value, then I think he gets slot #6 and Streeter comes up with an injury significant enough to be put on IR.

I just can't see any scenario, aside from injury, that keeps Doss off the 53 man roster. Doss, unlike someone like Thompson, has no chance to making it to our practice squad if he were cut.

**Corey** · 06-28-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by LukeDaniel

I agree with your basic premise, but I don't think Doss has much to worry about. I don't think LaQuan Williams should be overly worried either.

Unless D. Thompson shows himself to be insanely loaded with potential to a point that shocks everyone, I think the WR position is pretty straightforward. Boldin and Smith are our starters. Jacoby Jones, Doss, and LaQuan will battle for snaps as the #3 WR. Streeter and Thompson will battle for that last WR spot. If Streeter wins, Thompson likely gets cut and put on the practice squad. If the Ravens sense that Thompson provides more immediate value, then I think he gets slot #6 and Streeter comes up with an injury significant enough to be put on IR.

I just can't see any scenario, aside from injury, that keeps Doss off the 53 man roster. Doss, unlike someone like Thompson, has no chance to making it to our practice squad if he were cut.

I agree with this assessment. I think Boldin, Smith, Williams, Jones, and Doss are locks. Streeter and Thompson are battling for that last spot. Which ever loses will end up on IR along with David Reed.

**JAB1985** · 06-28-2012, 01:57 PM

I hope you guys are right about being so certain they come down with an injury... Its possibly either one looks completely different by TC, for better or worse.

**jonboy79** · 06-28-2012, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by LukeDaniel

I agree with your basic premise, but I don't think Doss has much to worry about. I don't think LaQuan Williams should be overly worried either.

Unless D. Thompson shows himself to be insanely loaded with potential to a point that shocks everyone, I think the WR position is pretty straightforward. Boldin and Smith are our starters. Jacoby Jones, Doss, and LaQuan will battle for snaps as the #3 WR. Streeter and Thompson will battle for that last WR spot. If Streeter wins, Thompson likely gets cut and put on the practice squad. If the Ravens sense that Thompson provides more immediate value, then I think he gets slot #6 and Streeter comes up with an injury significant enough to be put on IR.

I just can't see any scenario, aside from injury, that keeps Doss off the 53 man roster. Doss, unlike someone like Thompson, has no chance to making it to our practice squad if he were cut.

I'm not certain they will keep 6. In fact, I don't think it's very likely at all. The ravens almost never keep 6. I think the only reason they would, would be fear that Streeter wouldn't make it onto the PS.

**Corey** · 06-28-2012, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I'm not certain they will keep 6. In fact, I don't think it's very likely at all. The ravens almost never keep 6. I think the only reason they would, would be fear that Streeter wouldn't make it onto the PS.

Didn't we keep 6 last season? Boldin, Doss, Evans, Williams, Reed, and Smith.

**JAB1985** · 06-28-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

Didn't we keep 6 last season? Boldin, Doss, Evans, Williams, Reed, and Smith.

Mostly for Laquans and Reeds ST ability, which we discussed early could come from the DBs this year. If it comes down to Chykie or Streeter/Thomas, id go chykie only because we seem to have a lot of injuries in the secondary every year, its depth better served. Could be very similar roster break down as last year but if they go 7 Cbs its likely that they only go 5 WRs to compensate, unless they use Graham as a SS/DB and release considine. Its going to be a tough battle for the 5th WR and 6th DB and then the coaches will still have a big decision to make.

**wickedsolo** · 06-28-2012, 03:18 PM

My bet is that if Reed can't participate at all during pre-season then they'll give him an injury settlement/waiver.

He'd be competing against Jacoby Jones, Deonte Thompson, and Asa Jackson for return specialist and then he'd be competing against LaQuand, Doss, Jacoby, Streeter, and Thompson for a WR slot.

I just don't see it.

He was a flash in the pan as a return specialist, but serious injuries in back to back years? It's hard to stick with a team under those circumstances.

Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby, Doss, LaQuan, Streeter/Thompson.

That, IMO, is how it will likely pan out.

**JustaslowZ06** · 06-28-2012, 03:39 PM

I really hope he beats out Jones for the 3 and they just use him as the return specialist and the 4. I just have visions of dropped balls in playoffs and Jones is not exactly known for his hands.

**Corey** · 06-28-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

Mostly for Laquans and Reeds ST ability, which we discussed early could come from the DBs this year. If it comes down to Chykie or Streeter/Thomas, id go chykie only because we seem to have a lot of injuries in the secondary every year, its depth better served. Could be very similar roster break down as last year but if they go 7 Cbs its likely that they only go 5 WRs to compensate, unless they use Graham as a SS/DB and release considine. Its going to be a tough battle for the 5th WR and 6th DB and then the coaches will still have a big decision to make.

That's an interesting take. So, how do you see the rest of the roster breaking down?

Do you think they'd keep a 3rd QB over a 6th receiver? Or a 9th lineman over a 6th wr?

**Corey** · 06-28-2012, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I really hope he beats out Jones for the 3 and they just use him as the return specialist and the 4. I just have visions of dropped balls in playoffs and Jones is not exactly known for his hands.

If Jones gets beat for the 3rd wr spot, I really hope he gets cut. With the new kickoff rule kick returners are not nearly as important as they were a few years ago.

**JAB1985** · 06-29-2012, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

That's an interesting take. So, how do you see the rest of the roster breaking down?

Do you think they'd keep a 3rd QB over a 6th receiver? Or a 9th lineman over a 6th wr?

I dont think Painter makes the team, I think hell be available during the season if we need him. Lineman is a good question too. McKinnie Williams Birk Yanda Oher Reid Osemele Gradkowski I think were pretty set but i could see the argument certainly for a 9th.

Its a good problem to have for sure as, atleast in my opinion, were one of the deepest teams in the league currently, and usually that goes a long way to success.

I havent sat down and done my entire roster yet, ill do that after TC closer to the actual cut. Those two areas in particular are really intriguing me already though.

**leachisabeast** · 06-29-2012, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by blacknpurplepain

I think the word BUST is overly used. I believe in the long run Doss will see playing time as the season moves on. I think he replaces Boulin next year and will see playing time in 3 wide receiver sets. I think a lot of fans Doss wasn't good bc he was behind Williams but in reality he had health issues. I think the weight gain will help him out muscle some db's. Some of the greatest wide receiver lacked speed but their route running made up for it. I was told that all routes should look the same once u take the 5 steps off the LOS like head movement, steps taken, foot placement. Torrey Holt from the Rams was a great route runner and paid attention to detail like how far the db played off him, which technique the db used coming out his back pedal, he also know which db played aggressive and the most important he could read defenses.

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Lets not get ahead of our selves here... We need to see what Doss can actually do on the field before we talk about cutting Boldin and replacing him with an unproven 4th round player. If Doss makes a big impression in 2012, I think that's when you consider doing it.

**LukeDaniel** · 06-29-2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

The ravens almost never keep 6.

That's not true

2011: Boldin, Evans, T. Smith, L. Williams, Doss, Reed (suspended for Week 1, but made the team)
2010: Boldin, Mason, Houshmandzadeh, Stallworth, D. Reed, Marcus Smith

The Ravens have opened the season with 6 WRs on their roster each of the past two years and there is no reason to believe that trend won't continue for 2012.

**lobachevsky** · 07-04-2012, 11:08 AM

Great discussion for the NFL version of "dog days," guys, but keep in mind that one of the most important factors in who sticks & who goes where is the roster's injury status--which is completely unforeseeable. Another is who becomes available after other teams cut down rosters--also nearly unpredictable. If there isn't at least one major surprise re the Ravens' final 53 then I will be majorly surprised.

**blacknpurplepain** · 07-05-2012, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Lets not get ahead of our selves here... We need to see what Doss can actually do on the field before we talk about cutting Boldin and replacing him with an unproven 4th round player. If Doss makes a big impression in 2012, I think that's when you consider doing it.

You think the Ravens will pay Q that money after next season? I am not talking about this up coming season but the following season. My opinion was based on money not skill set bc we all know Q is the better Wide receiver. People kill me when they bring up where someone was drafted. Want me to list some late round or undrafted pro bowlers or some 1st rounders that never sniffed the pro bowl or was out of the league before their 2nd contract? I think it's 14 players in the HOF that was not drafted. It's around 40 that made the HOF that was drafted in the 4th round and later. Yes some made it back when it was less teams in the nfl and the NFL had more than 7 rounds.

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**Jayc00** · 07-05-2012, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I'm not certain they will keep 6. In fact, I don't think it's very likely at all. The ravens almost never keep 6. I think the only reason they would, would be fear that Streeter wouldn't make it onto the PS.

In today's NFL you almost have to keep 6. Plus the Ravens kept 6 the last two years. Ability to play ST's is a factor but, I'm willing to bet they keep 6.