Flacco 9th on Jaws QB lists

[Strange Bru]

I hate it when ESPN only let's you see the whole list unless you pay for their insider service. I would like to see the whole list just to see who is above him and how far above him. The way he has played, especially against Tom Brady and the Patriots last AFC Championship game, has continually improved. Sure he doesn't have the sickest stats in the NFL, but the Ravens are a balanced to run first offense and even Peyton Manning wouldn't have Manning like stats in this sort of an offensive scheme. I know Aaron Rodgers is probably #1, Tom Brady and Drew Brees are #2 and #3 in whatever order, Eli Manning has got to be above Joe just because of the Super Bowl victory this year, Philip Rivers always tops these lists (why I don't know, judging by the Chargers playoff record), Peyton Manning even though he didn't play in 2011, then there has to be one more before Ben Roethlisberger. Ben should be tied with Joe only because, as much a Steelers fans love him, his stats are really not all that better than Flacco's, outside of the Super Bowls won mainly on the shoulders of the Steelers D. So the list should be:

1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Tom Brady?
3) Drew Brees?
4) Eli Manning?
5) Philip Rivers?
6) Peyton Manning?
7) ?
8) Ben Roethlisberger?

That is some pretty good company, no one should be complaining about where Flacco falls on this list.

And for the Couch Potato, You forgot to figure in the dropped passes in critical situations (which falls on the Ravens WRs and not the QB) into your little tyraid on Joe's abilities.

[ActualSpamBot]

i think flacco improved last year in throwing the ball away and scrambling, especially as the season went on. Id like to see it a bit more, but sometimes it isnt possible. What i'd love to see is play calls to get him out of the pocket a bit more, like in NE when Cam done it a couple of times. I also remember a few roll outs in the reg season, one against cinci, when he hit boldin on that crossing pattern, and that deep TD to Torrey was a rollout if iirc.

Lets be honest here, he isnt, peyton, brady, brees under pressure, but when he is out of the pocket, he is imo, one of the best in the league, and even if a throw isnt on his agile and mobile enough to scramble for a few yeards.

Roll outs, early and often will off course, stop some of the blitzing, which then means he will have a bit more time in the pocket, and we know what he can do when he has time.

When he is under pressure, heavy and often, he sometimes makes bad decisions, so design plays to get him away form the pressure, like roll outs, and then eventually, the pressure will subside when you keep him in the pocket.

Just my 2 cents on Joe. Under pressure hes about average in QBing, with time hes easily up around that 6-9 mark as a QB, jumping some QBs that would be better than him under pressure, but when given a second or two, arent as good as him.

Actually in 2010 Flacco had the second best TD to Int ratio in the NFL against the blitz, and finished the year 6th among all QBs on PFF's efficiency rating vs the blitz.

The data isn't in for 2011 yet but I would be shocked if he regressed.

The idea that blitzing Joe regularly is good idea has been out of date since his rookie year.

[seraph]

Flacco is good against the blitz for the most part, but I can remember some of the awful sacks he took from blitzing defenders.

[Haloti92]

Actually in 2010 Flacco had the second best TD to Int ratio in the NFL against the blitz, and finished the year 6th among all QBs on PFF's efficiency rating vs the blitz.

The data isn't in for 2011 yet but I would be shocked if he regressed.

The idea that blitzing Joe regularly is good idea has been out of date since his rookie year.

According to Sporting News, Flacco was 4th for TD to Int ratio and 10th in terms of QB rating in 2010 against the blitz:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...inst-the-blitz

I think this statistic is a bit subjective. It seems like "blitz" might mean different things to different statisticians, as it apparently did for STATS, Inc/Sporting News and PFF.

Of course, Flacco also was 7th in terms of QB rating overall in 2010.

[JAB1985]

Id rather him stand in the pocket too long looking to make a play than be kyle boller. There certainly is a fine line there that he can improve upon but ill take those sacks in most cases if FG position isnt being lost, which the majority of the time it isnt.

[wickedsolo]

I agree SgtCouchPotato. Like in Pitt last year when he threw that pick with less than a minute left! Or all those terrible fuck ups in the second half of the Arizona debacle. Not to mention how he just totally blew it against the Texans in a playoff game where everyone on the offense played lights out except for him.

Oh shit, I have just been informed that it is NOT opposite day and your complaint has literally no grounding in reality. But thanks for crawling out of your hole to once again bitch about the team. Have you ever had a good thing to say? I've looked through your old posts and it seems like all you do is pop up every now and then to piss on the team and then disappear.

Daaaaaaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnn!!!!

[wickedsolo]

Flacco is good against the blitz for the most part, but I can remember some of the awful sacks he took from blitzing defenders.

Too bad Joe can't block all of those blitzers consistently too, huh?


There are 10 other guys on the offensive side of the ball...just saying...

[handswarmer]

The rankings are subjective to everyone's opinion and what they use to weight their rankings: stats, 'clutch', wins, etc....

as someone else pointed out, where was Dilfer ranked in the spring of 2000?

Stats are for people who want to make a selective argument. IMO the only stat that matters is 'wins' and did the the QB factor into the win?

QBR from ESPN was a much better measurement of the QB's performance than QB Ratings- thats pure passing and decietful.

RE: arm strength- go back and reaad what Jaws said about Matt Ryan and his inability to throw through the 30mph swirling winds vs the Giants in the playoffs. Flacco makes those throws- Matty Spliced together can't.

I'll take Joe.

[wickedsolo]

The rankings are subjective to everyone's opinion and what they use to weight their rankings: stats, 'clutch', wins, etc....

as someone else pointed out, where was Dilfer ranked in the spring of 2000?

Stats are for people who want to make a selective argument. IMO the only stat that matters is 'wins' and did the the QB factor into the win?

QBR from ESPN was a much better measurement of the QB's performance than QB Ratings- thats pure passing and decietful.

RE: arm strength- go back and reaad what Jaws said about Matt Ryan and his inability to throw through the 30mph swirling winds vs the Giants in the playoffs. Flacco makes those throws- Matty Spliced together can't.

I'll take Joe.

[seraph]

Too bad Joe can't block all of those blitzers consistently too, huh?


There are 10 other guys on the offensive side of the ball...just saying...

Joe couldn't do anything against Benard Pollard that one time in 2010 because Pollard teleported behind 10 other players lol.

[seraph]

The rankings are subjective to everyone's opinion and what they use to weight their rankings: stats, 'clutch', wins, etc....

as someone else pointed out, where was Dilfer ranked in the spring of 2000?

Stats are for people who want to make a selective argument. IMO the only stat that matters is 'wins' and did the the QB factor into the win?

QBR from ESPN was a much better measurement of the QB's performance than QB Ratings- thats pure passing and decietful.

RE: arm strength- go back and reaad what Jaws said about Matt Ryan and his inability to throw through the 30mph swirling winds vs the Giants in the playoffs. Flacco makes those throws- Matty Spliced together can't.

I'll take Joe.

I thought espn's QBR hated Flacco. And that stat is too subjective anyway. The normal passer rating is already good enough.

[OriAl]

Actually there are 14 QB's that were sacked more than Flacco (31). The names include 3 in the top 10 Brady (32), Rodgers (36), and Roethlisberger (40). He just needs to learn how to tuck that ball better when he's going to get hit, as he has at least 2 more fumbles than anyone in the top 10.

Brady had more passing attempts (611 vs. 542), so one more sack necessarily doesn't mean he was pressured more than Flacco.

Less fumbling would be good.

[handswarmer]

I thought espn's QBR hated Flacco. And that stat is too subjective anyway. The normal passer rating is already good enough.

Too subjective?

Joe was at 15th for the season in QBR

But again, I say the only true measuremnt is Wins......

[wickedsolo]

Joe couldn't do anything against Benard Pollard that one time in 2010 because Pollard teleported behind 10 other players lol.

Pollard wasn't the first guy to magically appear in the backfield untouched...it's been a problem with this OL for years now.

[wickedsolo]

Too subjective?

Joe was at 15th for the season in QBR

But again, I say the only true measuremnt is Wins......

I agree and what's funny is this is the only stat that most players care about. Does anyone think Eli Manning is hanging his head in shame because Tony Romo has better stats? Fuck no. Eli has 2 rings and is putting together a potential HOF resume while Romo will be an afterthought in the next 10 years from most fans who aren't die hard Cowboys fans.

[handswarmer]

I agree and what's funny is this is the only stat that most players care about. Does anyone think Eli Manning is hanging his head in shame because Tony Romo has better stats? Fuck no. Eli has 2 rings and is putting together a potential HOF resume while Romo will be an afterthought in the next 10 years from most fans who aren't die hard Cowboys fans.

Thats my point- one can use any "sabre metric" stats from an abundance of sources (PFF< PFR<FO<ESPN,etc) that pick apart every play (I am surprised that they don't pick apart every millisecond that the ball is in the air on every pass), every step on a handoff, every pre-snap read, every warmup throw. Enough already.

Ryan, Romo, Stafford, Rivers- all have stats out the ass, yards/tds up the wazzoo but Joe has something they don't: Playoff Success

[jonboy79]

I agree and what's funny is this is the only stat that most players care about. Does anyone think Eli Manning is hanging his head in shame because Tony Romo has better stats? Fuck no. Eli has 2 rings and is putting together a potential HOF resume while Romo will be an afterthought in the next 10 years from most fans who aren't die hard Cowboys fans.

And most die-hard cowboy fans will WISH they could forget abotu Tony romo ten years from now. He has wasted soem great taelnt in Big D the last decade.

[seraph]

Thats my point- one can use any "sabre metric" stats from an abundance of sources (PFF< PFR<FO<ESPN,etc) that pick apart every play (I am surprised that they don't pick apart every millisecond that the ball is in the air on every pass), every step on a handoff, every pre-snap read, every warmup throw. Enough already.

Ryan, Romo, Stafford, Rivers- all have stats out the ass, yards/tds up the wazzoo but Joe has something they don't: Playoff Success

The Ravens use advanced statistics and won one superbowl. Those "sabermetrics" didn't help.

[handswarmer]

The Ravens use advanced statistics and won one superbowl. Those "sabermetrics" didn't help.

Help me here- I read your post 10 times and still can't figure out what you meant.

[HoustonRaven]

Help me here- I read your post 10 times and still can't figure out what you meant.

Me either.

Sabermetrics IS an advanced statistics system. And how does one know the Ravens use it? It's application in football is still in the infant stages. It's doubtful any pro teams uses such a system, or even a portion of it.