Conspiracy: The Storms That hit MD/DC/VA 2 weeks ago...

[HoustonRaven]

I've been deer hunting.. just not deer shooting

Touche

[ravenmaniac4life]

Trajectory does not indicate how the target will react, for one. Especially a live target that's struck in the central nervous system. If you've ever shot a deer, there is no telling which way they will fall, move, etc. especially when you shoot them in the head.

Second, it was not as deep of an angle as the conspiracy theorists would have you believe. Yes, Oswald was back and to the right of Kennedy .... but BARELY. The bullet struck Kennedy high and on the back right part of his head. The head movement was more towards the left. A better way of describing the head movement was left THEN to the back. And again, keep in mind once someone is struck in the head, there is no telling what the muscles will do once the trauma occurs.

Conspiracy theorists have backed off the claim that the head shot came from the grassy knoll anyway. They now dispute, with great fervor, the single bullet theory.

ABC News pretty much did what Popular Mechanics did to the "truthers" and debunked everything. Here is an explanation in full about the so-called magic bullet ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

There was never a doubt that at least 1 of the shots came from the book depository building. People with common sense see the reaction of Kennedy to the final shot...the kill shot...and they immediately realize that it came from in front of the President…not in the back. Only a fool would disagree with that. Aside from the “back and to the left” direction of Kennedy’s head…there is unsubstantiated evidence that a shot came from the knoll. There were witnesses that said the shot came from the knoll. There were witnesses that saw people from the knoll firing a rifle and then disassembling the rifle and then putting it into a tool chest and then handing it to another person. Other videos and pictures have shown that after the limo sped off, people are running towards the knoll because that is where EVERYONE heard the final shot come from.

No matter what youtube video or documentary you watch...common sense alone says that the final shot came from the knoll. When there are countless witnesses that say the exact same thing, I think that pretty much wraps it up. This is pretty much indisputable and thus...proves that a conspiracy to cover up Kennedy's death was in play.

[HoustonRaven]

There was never a doubt that at least 1 of the shots came from the book depository building. People with common sense see the reaction of Kennedy to the final shot...the kill shot...and they immediately realize that it came from in front of the President…not in the back. Only a fool would disagree with that.

Chill with the "fool" comments. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Aside from the “back and to the left” direction of Kennedy’s head…there is unsubstantiated evidence that a shot came from the knoll. There were witnesses that said the shot came from the knoll. There were witnesses that saw people from the knoll firing a rifle and then disassembling the rifle and then putting it into a tool chest and then handing it to another person

As you correctly point out, unsubstantiated.

Other videos and pictures have shown that after the limo sped off, people are running towards the knoll because that is where EVERYONE heard the final shot come from.

It's called an echo. I've been to Dealy Plaza many times. It's an echo chamber. If you fire a high powered rifle it's going echo off every wall within half a mile.

And please show me these videos and pictures that prove this. I guarantee, you won't find any.

No matter what youtube video or documentary you watch...common sense 100% says that the final shot came from the knoll. This is pretty much indisputable.

Clearly you didn't even look to see what the video was.

It's a documentary done by ABC News, enlisting a forensic video analyst who proved it all shots were from behind. It's titled "Beyond Conspiracy" and you can easily watch the whole thing online if you so choose. It's not some random Youtube video.

[ravenmaniac4life]

Clearly you didn't even look to see what the video was.

It's a documentary done by ABC News, enlisting a forensic video analyst who proved it all shots were from behind. It's titled "Beyond Conspiracy" and you can easily watch the whole thing online if you so choose. It's not some random Youtube video.


And chill with the "fool" comments. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

I saw it. I watched it...and just because Peter Jennings and ABC created it does not make it credible. The fact is...these Warren Commission lawyers are making statements that are simply not true.

A lof of the Warren Commission testimonies were said to have been inaccurate. People who were interviewed in the report have come out and said so. Their interviews were doctored and misrepresented in the final report. Why would they lie about that?

It’s the biggest coverup in American history and the government, any politician, lawyer, ambassador, janitor, or anyone remotely associated with it will deny it forever.

[HoustonRaven]

I saw it. I watched it...and just because Peter Jennings and ABC created it does not make it credible. The fact is...these Warren Commission lawyers are making statements that are simply not true.

A lof of the Warren Commission testimonies were said to have been inaccurate. People who were interviewed in the report have come out and said so. Their interviews were doctored and misrepresented in the final report. Why would they lie about that?

It’s the biggest coverup in American history and the government, any politician, lawyer, ambassador, janitor, or anyone remotely associated with it will deny it forever.

Again, maybe you should try watching the video. They are not supporting the Warren Commission. Not one bit. Nor am I.

[NCRAVEN]

Clearly you didn't even look to see what the video was.

It's a documentary done by ABC News, enlisting a forensic video analyst who proved it all shots were from behind. It's titled "Beyond Conspiracy" and you can easily watch the whole thing online if you so choose. It's not some random Youtube video.

I understand your point about the nervous system once shot in the head. But I did not see the head shot on this video... Just sayin'

[HoustonRaven]

I understand your point about the nervous system once shot in the head. But I did not see the head shot on this video... Just sayin'

It's in the full video. I will find it.

In the meantime, a physicist from the University of Rhode Island, did a study and found it's conclusive the shot came from the rear. Here is the study in full ....

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/scienti...head_shot.html

[Sirdowski]

It’s the biggest coverup in American history and the government, any politician, lawyer, ambassador, janitor, or anyone remotely associated with it will deny it forever.

Ironic username aside, so THAT'S why the illuminati is so diverse in its members. I have a friend who's a proctologist, he made me pinky promise before telling me he was Illuminati. It all makes sense now. Someone has to keep all those UFO rectal probing stories underwraps.

[HoustonRaven]

Ironic username aside, so THAT'S why the illuminati is so diverse in its members. I have a friend who's a proctologist who made me pinky promise before telling me he was illuminati. Someone has to keep all those UFO rectal probing stories underwraps.

Ha!

I guess I shouldn't mention that I am a Freemason then?

[Sirdowski]

Ha!

I guess I shouldn't mention that I am a Freemason then?

You won't catch any flack from me.

Are you more into the philanthropy or the world domination aspect? Or is there a rotation?

[HoustonRaven]

You won't catch any flack from me.

Are you more into the philanthropy or the world domination aspect? Or is there a rotation?

$40 gets me charitable donations to the Children's Hospital and any country of my choosing after we take over the world.

[HoustonRaven]

I understand your point about the nervous system once shot in the head. But I did not see the head shot on this video... Just sayin'

Ask, and you shall receive.

Kennedy could not have been possibly shot from the front because of the inward and cratered head wound on the BACK of his head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7eXg...A3&playnext=10

[NCRAVEN]

Ask, and you shall receive.

Kennedy could not have been possibly shot from the front because of the inward and cratered head wound on the BACK of his head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7eXg...A3&playnext=10

What mark in the video is it, I am watching but don't have all day to find that part.

[HoustonRaven]

I didn't mark the time. It's about halfway through of segment 10.

[Sirdowski]

$40 gets me charitable donations to the Children's Hospital and any country of my choosing after we take over the world.

Haha.

Simpsons had a funny spoof years ago. Homer wanted to join the "Stone Cutters."

The anthem they sang at their meetings:

Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do, We do.

Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do, we do.

Who keeps back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do, we do.

Who robs cavefish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? We do, we dooooooo.

[HoustonRaven]

Haha.

Simpsons had a funny spoof years ago. Homer wanted to join the "Stone Cutters."

The anthem they sang at their meetings:

Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do, We do.

Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do, we do.

Who keeps back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do, we do.

Who robs cavefish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? We do, we dooooooo.

I know it well. Complete with the Patrick Stewart as a guess voice.

[NCRAVEN]

I didn't mark the time. It's about halfway through of segment 10.

I was able to catch it. There were a few things about it that I had a problem with. A lot of little things so I won't list them all.

I felt it went out of it's way to prove there was no conspiracy. Not that I am saying there was, just more of an observation I guess.

If Oswald was a Marine trained sharp shooter, would he really have left his gun hang out the window for folks to see?

And I am not a sniper so this is just a question I had when watching it. They said his hands left prints on the boxes by the window in the sniper position. What does that mean...?

Last. With the shot to the head. I felt that they spent the least amount of time on that BY FAR, almost in passing.

I understand where the bullet hits from does not necessarily mean where a body or body part will go. But as you said and the video says the shot was more from the right than it was from behind and right. Okay... so than why does the either spray from the exit wound (or entrance) come out of the front left of his head?

[HoustonRaven]

If Oswald was a Marine trained sharp shooter, would he really have left his gun hang out the window for folks to see?

I am not aware of any eyewitness reports of him with a rifle hanging out the window. Judging by the way the boxes were stacked, it looks like he was inside the window.

And I am not a sniper so this is just a question I had when watching it. They said his hands left prints on the boxes by the window in the sniper position. What does that mean...?

That, combined with his palm print on the scope, makes it pretty damning that he was in that corner of the building with the gun.

Last. With the shot to the head. I felt that they spent the least amount of time on that BY FAR, almost in passing.

I understand where the bullet hits from does not necessarily mean where a body or body part will go. But as you said and the video says the shot was more from the right than it was from behind and right.

No. I said it was from the rear and BARELY to the right as does the video. Oswald was shooting from Kennedy's elevated 5 o'clock.

Okay... so than why does the either spray from the exit wound (or entrance) come out of the front left of his head?

It doesn't. Look at the autopsy pics / diagrams. He was hit in the back of his head, very slightly off the right. That's where the brain matter, etc comes from. That's the only hole in his head. There is no exit wound on the left side of his head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JF...trajectory.jpg

[NCRAVEN]

I am not aware of any eyewitness reports of him with a rifle hanging out the window. Judging by the way the boxes were stacked, it looks like he was inside the window.

That is what they said on the video... folks reported seeing it stick out of the window.

That, combined with his palm print on the scope, makes it pretty damning that he was in that corner of the building with the gun.

That's not my point. I don't know how the palm prints in the way they were placed on the boxes equals "sniper position". I am not implying it leads to anything, it just didn't make sense, at least in the context they were trying to make it.

No. I said it was from the rear and BARELY to the right as does the video. Oswald was shooting from Kennedy's elevated 5 o'clock.

Sorry, I combined what you and they said.

It doesn't. Look at the autopsy pics / diagrams. He was hit in the back of his head, very slightly off the right. That's where the brain matter, etc comes from. That's the only hole in his head. There is no exit wound on the left side of his head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JF...trajectory.jpg

The diagram makes sense, but I've seen pictures (awhile ago) and from what I recall ( I should probably go look again since we're talking about this) it was more on the back left, pretty much the whole back of his head was gone. And from the video what I see is the spray come form the front right, but it's not like it's high def or anything...