Obama Climbs Ten in the RCP Map Average

**HoustonRaven** · 07-27-2012, 12:31 PM

More bad news comes out on the economy, he climbs again in the EV polls ....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...llege_map.html

**NCRAVEN** · 07-27-2012, 01:05 PM

He picked up Wisconsin, which baffles me (assuming the polls are indeed accurate). How do you reelect Walker by a bigger margin than in 2010 yet go for BHO??? I mean I know almost all polls are over sampling Dem's by a minimum of 6% but come on...

BTW - I think PPP(D) and NBC polls should be excluded form the average, those things are so far off.

**AirFlacco** · 07-27-2012, 01:56 PM

I don't go by PPP - mostly Rasmussen and Gallup.

Ras has MITT up by +5 today with a 49-44% lead in the general election.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Last week I posted on the other thread his map had Mitt getting 267 pts to 243 for OBY. That means it goes to the House for final vote with each state having 1 vote each.

MITT's campaign manager was on last night and said nobody is even watching now accept us hard core fans.
It heats up as the conventions arrive and the indies
will decide it in Sep and Oct.

Just don't believe these other polls.

**AirFlacco** · 07-27-2012, 02:08 PM

Rasmussen also said this and he's the most accurate so don't listen to those liberal polls surveying people
that aren't even registered or likely to vote:

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Rasmussen concludes that for Obama to win, “he will need to improve his own job approval rating between now and Election Day. For that to happen, perceptions of the economy will have to reverse their current downward trend.”

**StingerNLG** · 07-29-2012, 11:26 AM

Mitt picked up 20 as well. He was at 171, now at 191.

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**HoustonRaven** · 07-29-2012, 01:50 PM

10 points. He was at 181.

Looks like MO swung his way.

**AirFlacco** · 07-29-2012, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

10 points. He was at 181.

Looks like MO swung his way.

Like I said, most fans aren't even watching - just the hard core fans.

Wait til Sep and Oct when the indies swing for MITT.

Dick Morris might have been right all along.

**AirFlacco** · 07-29-2012, 04:48 PM

DEMs losing Missouri.

Mitt almost in double digit lead with +9.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...rom-democrats/

**4G63** · 07-30-2012, 12:40 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Mitt gets 55% of the vote in November. Its gonna be a landslide.

**AirFlacco** · 07-30-2012, 02:29 PM

You weren't around but I called for a landslide weeks ago based on the undecided votes. Dick Morris polled 6,000 of those and they're leaning to
Mitt. They have never voted for the incumbent.

Indies are also against OBY and as I keep saying no one is even watching
now. The conventions are coming up soon.

Rasmussen has GOP leading in the all important Generic Cognressional Race
43-40%. That translates to about 5 more seats needed for control of Senate.

That means repeal baby - REPEAL!

Roberts might have been right. The people should decide. If they dont vote
they have only themselves to blame, not the court.

**Ravenous1** · 07-30-2012, 03:49 PM

I will go out on a limb and and predict your going to be sorely disappointed. Mitt is about as bad a candidate as the Republicans could have come up with. He is grampa of Obama care and will look dumb fighting against it, he has the personality of an arrogant Chia pet and just does not connect to anyone who is “independent". He is a republican Walter Mondale lol ..

Before you say it, no I do not support Obama but I can't believe that Mitt was the best republicans could come up with. There is zero chance I will vote for him. I will likely "throw my vote away" and vote 3rd party than vote for these two turds

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**StingerNLG** · 07-30-2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

I will go out on a limb and and predict your going to be sorely disappointed. Mitt is about as bad a candidate as the Republicans could have come up with. He is grampa of Obama care and will look dumb fighting against it, he has the personality of an arrogant Chia pet and just does not connect to anyone who is “independent". He is a republican Walter Mondale lol ..

Before you say it, no I do not support Obama but I can't believe that Mitt was the best republicans could come up with. There is zero chance I will vote for him. I will likely "throw my vote away" and vote 3rd party than vote for these two turds

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Then why is Mitt consistently getting Tue majority of the Independant vote?

Make no mistake, voting 3rd party is voting for Obama.

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**NCRAVEN** · 07-30-2012, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Then why is Mitt consistently getting Tue majority of the Independant vote?

Make no mistake, voting 3rd party is voting for Obama.

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Might as well just not vote.

**AirFlacco** · 07-30-2012, 06:43 PM

Voting 3rd party is how Clinton got in. All the conservatives voted for Perot or many of them did.

They punished Bush for raising taxes.

Well, why was that wrong but Ok for Reagan to raise taxes 13 times?

**Ravenous1** · 07-30-2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Might as well just not vote.

Yup with that attitude all we will ever have are these two loser parties leading us into oblivion .... time for a change

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**StingerNLG** · 07-30-2012, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

Yup with that attitude all we will ever have are these two loser parties leading us into oblivion .... time for a change

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When you can show me how a third party has done something other than simply take votes away from candidate and hand the election to his opponent, then maybe ill listen. Until then, voting 3rd party will insure Obama's re-election, and this is come hard fact.

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**wickedsolo** · 07-31-2012, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

When you can show me how a third party has done something other than simply take votes away from candidate and hand the election to his opponent, then maybe ill listen. Until then, voting 3rd party will insure Obama's re-election, and this is come hard fact.

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Unfortunately Stinger, this is one of the biggest reasons why a 3rd party will never make an impact. This type of thought process that you're showing here is case and point of how the gubberment has Americans by the balls with this 2-party system. Take a handful of issues, toss it out on the table, and then categorize them into 2 sections. Continuously dumb everything down for the 'Mericans who are too lazy and too apathetic to really go out and do their own research and vote for a CANDIDATE that is in alignment with their social, economic, and governmental view points. The 2 party system is antiquated and ineffective. More often than not the President (good or bad) can't get much at all accomplished in 4 years because the Reps and the Dems refuse to work with each other on most things. Bills (good bills that could do some good) sit on the House or Senate floor for months and even years with no movement because it's one big dick-measuring contest in the House and Senate. There have been more filibusters in the past 5-6 years than there were in the previous THIRTY years. Hello! Is anyone paying attention here???????

Fiscally conservative? Republican.
Pro Military? Republican.
Overly Religious? Republican.
Pro-Life? Republican.
NRA member? Republican.
Big Business? Republican.
Pro-choice? Democrat.
Defense cuts? Democrat.
Social programs? Democrat.
Gun control? Democrat.
Pro-environment? Democrat.

Etc, etc, etc.

It's a shame because some of the 3rd party candidates who didn't win the Republican or Democratic nomination are more qualified and would be better for this country rather than the same old trolls that the DNC and GOP trot out to the podium each year. I mean, did you pay attention to who the GOP put out this year?

Michelle Bachman? She's bat-shit crazy and a liar to top it all off.
Rick Perry? He's practically the same person as "W" without the pedigree and is way more of a religious nut job.
Herman Cain? Jesus, he is a walking sexual harassment case. I guess the Republicans wanted their own "Clinton/Lewinsky" situation in the White House?
Rick Santorum? The dude wears sweater vests like they're going out of style. Oh, and he wasn't even liked by his own constituents in Pennsylvania...yet the GOP thought he had a shot as President? Give me a break. This guy is a clown and should be nowhere near public policy.
Mitt Romney? Well...he's the richest. So I guess that's good...right? He's a terrible speaker, he says dumb shit all of the damn time, and he's got an absurd amount of fiscal skeletons in the closet. The dude is pretty shady in a lot of ways.

Ron Paul was the only guy who had anything intelligent to say during the GOP nomination run, but he's closing in on 100 years old and in some ways is far too socially radical for mainstream *coughmediacough* American citizens. Plus, he's for scaling back the Federal Gubberment and they can't have that now can they?

Dems did the same thing in 08 and 04. John Kerry? Please.

What a joke.

The American Presidency has evolved into a big effin' joke. No wonder the rest of the world hates us and is constantly trying to take us down a peg or two.

Finally, if Ravenous 1 wants to "throw his vote away" and vote for a 3rd party candidate that is HIS RIGHT and who are you to shit on him or tell him differently for wanting to do that? If that's how he feels, then so be it.

**wickedsolo** · 07-31-2012, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Voting 3rd party is how Clinton got in. All the conservatives voted for Perot or many of them did.

They punished Bush for raising taxes.

Well, why was that wrong but Ok for Reagan to raise taxes 13 times?

Ross Perot was the most successful 3rd party candidate in a long time.

Oh, and Reagan was a movie star.

Duh...

**NCRAVEN** · 07-31-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Unfortunately Stinger, this is one of the biggest reasons why a 3rd party will never make an impact. This type of thought process that you're showing here is case and point of how the gubberment has Americans by the balls with this 2-party system. Take a handful of issues, toss it out on the table, and then categorize them into 2 sections. Continuously dumb everything down for the 'Mericans who are too lazy and too apathetic to really go out and do their own research and vote for a CANDIDATE that is in alignment with their social, economic, and governmental view points. The 2 party system is antiquated and ineffective. More often than not the President (good or bad) can't get much at all accomplished in 4 years because the Reps and the Dems refuse to work with each other on most things. Bills (good bills that could do some good) sit on the House or Senate floor for months and even years with no movement because it's one big dick-measuring contest in the House and Senate. There have been more filibusters in the past 5-6 years than there were in the previous THIRTY years. Hello! Is anyone paying attention here???????

Fiscally conservative? Republican.
Pro Military? Republican.
Overly Religious? Republican.
Pro-Life? Republican.
NRA member? Republican.
Big Business? Republican.
Pro-choice? Democrat.
Defense cuts? Democrat.
Social programs? Democrat.
Gun control? Democrat.
Pro-environment? Democrat.

Etc, etc, etc.

Agreed. All good points.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

It's a shame because some of the 3rd party candidates who didn't win the Republican or Democratic nomination are more qualified and would be better for this country rather than the same old trolls that the DNC and GOP trot out to the podium each year. I mean, did you pay attention to who the GOP put out this year?

Michelle Bachman? She's bat-shit crazy and a liar to top it all off.
Rick Perry? He's practically the same person as "W" without the pedigree and is way more of a religious nut job.
Herman Cain? Jesus, he is a walking sexual harassment case. I guess the Republicans wanted their own "Clinton/Lewinsky" situation in the White House?
Rick Santorum? The dude wears sweater vests like they're going out of style. Oh, and he wasn't even liked by his own constituents in Pennsylvania...yet the GOP thought he had a shot as President? Give me a break. This guy is a clown and should be nowhere near public policy.
Mitt Romney? Well...he's the richest. So I guess that's good...right? He's a terrible speaker, he says dumb shit all of the damn time, and he's got an absurd amount of fiscal skeletons in the closet. The dude is pretty shady in a lot of ways.

Couple of things here. Socially Bachman is bat shit crazy, when it comes to other matters she is actually okay.
Perry I could take or leave.
The sexual harassment crap about Herman Cain, notice how that all stopped once he dropped out? And I don't mean JUST by the media even the women who claimed it went away, it was a bunch of BS.
Santorum, wasn't wanted by the GOP, he was wanted by the family value social conservative crowd, the inside the beltway GOP was totally against him.

I know you're not a fan of Romney, and while I don't think he is a great speaker he's not a terrible one... he's just a tad stiff. But that can't be a automatic disqualifier. What dumb shit has Mitt said?

I am not a huge Mitt fan, but he has grown on me the more I've learned/researched, plus he's the only guy that can put an end to absolutely one of the worst Presidents EVER.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

The American Presidency has evolved into a big effin' joke. No wonder the rest of the world hates us and is constantly trying to take us down a peg or two.

Agreed, I blame the media. But I don' think that's why the "rest of the world" hates us.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Finally, if Ravenous 1 wants to "throw his vote away" and vote for a 3rd party candidate that is HIS RIGHT and who are you to shit on him or tell him differently for wanting to do that? If that's how he feels, then so be it.

IMO, Sting wasn't shitting on him, he was simply stating a fact, voting 3rd party is basically the same as writing in for Dog the Bounty Hunter.

I would like to see a 3rd or even 4th party or no party's, but this year isn't the year to do it.

I am not being over dramatic or hyperbolic here, Barack Obama is arguably one of the worst President's ever (if you'd like to get into why that's fine) and like it or not, the only guy that we have to vote for to take his spot is Mitt Romney, voting 3rd party or writing in a candidate is voting for a continuation of a President who has said he doesn't like the constitution and has several times gone around it, dude has got to go.

**wickedsolo** · 07-31-2012, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Couple of things here. Socially Bachman is bat shit crazy, when it comes to other matters she is actually okay.
Perry I could take or leave.
The sexual harassment crap about Herman Cain, notice how that all stopped once he dropped out? And I don't mean JUST by the media even the women who claimed it went away, it was a bunch of BS.
Santorum, wasn't wanted by the GOP, he was wanted by the family value social conservative crowd, the inside the beltway GOP was totally against him.

It's just a shame to me that these are the only knuckleheads that the GOP can scrounge up. There are some decent options out there, but the Republican Party (and the Democratic Party for that matter) have completely lost their way and what they are supposed to stand for. Furthermore, the Presidency has been allowed to become a bidding process and the person with the biggest bank accounts tend to have the upper hand. It's corrupt and out of touch.

I know you're not a fan of Romney, and while I don't think he is a great speaker he's not a terrible one... he's just a tad stiff. But that can't be a automatic disqualifier. What dumb shit has Mitt said?

I am not a huge Mitt fan, but he has grown on me the more I've learned/researched, plus he's the only guy that can put an end to absolutely one of the worst Presidents EVER.

The flip-flopping, the uncertainty in his campaign message(s)...it's not that I dislike him (I like him better than Obama)...I just see the same old same old. It's the same tired message from the same tired candidates claiming to represent the same tired "party". The reality is neither party really have a firm grasp on what Americans really want and really need. It's all about them and their egos.

Agreed, I blame the media. But I don' think that's why the "rest of the world" hates us.

It's not the main reason, but it certainly is a reason and adds to the already disrespectful perspective of the US.

IMO, Sting wasn't shitting on him, he was simply stating a fact, voting 3rd party is basically the same as writing in for Dog the Bounty Hunter.

I would like to see a 3rd or even 4th party or no party's, but this year isn't the year to do it.

I am not being over dramatic or hyperbolic here, Barack Obama is arguably one of the worst President's ever (if you'd like to get into why that's fine) and like it or not, the only guy that we have to vote for to take his spot is Mitt Romney, voting 3rd party or writing in a candidate is voting for a continuation of a President who has said he doesn't like the constitution and has several times gone around it, dude has got to go.

Ravenous1 said he knew that voting 3rd party would essentially be throwing his vote away, but that's not the point. Maybe I took it the wrong way, but Stinger's comments made it seem like he was chastising Ravenous1 for even considering not voting for one of the Big 2. IMO, Stinger's comments are exactly what is wrong with this whole process. Americans can't really vote for who they want. They have to pick the lesser of two evils.