Good idea?

**NCRAVEN** · 08-07-2012, 01:45 PM

Or something to get the media off tax returns etc.?

Romney may pick David Petraeus for VP

**HoustonRaven** · 08-07-2012, 07:43 PM

Nope.

He's a lightening rod that offers nothing in terms of electoral votes.

**StingerNLG** · 08-07-2012, 08:33 PM

A lightening rod how? I've only seen Soros's group attack him and they had to walk it back. He is pretty universally respected. And he isn't a career politician which might be a plus at this point.

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**HoustonRaven** · 08-07-2012, 09:13 PM

You don't think the Obama crowd would throw him under the bus (again) if they had to?

It cuts both ways. I'm sure the Obama camp have as much dirt on him as he may have on him.

And again, he brings zero in the way of EC votes.

**StingerNLG** · 08-07-2012, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

You don't think the Obama crowd would throw him under the bus (again) if they had to?

It cuts both ways. I'm sure the Obama camp have as much dirt on him as he may have on him.

And again, he brings zero in the way of EC votes.

I think it would be very difficult to attack someone as decorated as him. Granted, Obama has already proven he has no dignity in this election.

As far as EC votes, no one does. So I say go for someone who can help across the board rather than trying to pick up a single state.

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**HoustonRaven** · 08-08-2012, 07:50 AM

Rubio hands Mitt 29 electoral votes.

You'd rather pass that up?

Not me.

**NCRAVEN** · 08-08-2012, 07:56 AM

I have seen polling where Rubio gives Mitt 2 to 3 points, but I think Mitt gets Florida regardless.

To me this whole election (all things being equal) rides on Ohio. Unless somehow Mitt can win Michigan and/or Wisconsin he has to win Ohio.

**HoustonRaven** · 08-08-2012, 08:00 AM

Come on gents.

Approval numbers don't mean dick with the VP pick. It's about EV numbers. That's what gets you elected.

If your VP pick hands you a state like Florida, you do it everyday and twice on Sunday.

**NCRAVEN** · 08-08-2012, 08:10 AM

I'm not sure what you mean, I'm not talking approval numbers, I am talking about Rubio hands Mitt 2 to 3 points in Florida when asked who would you vote for.

If there is someone who can do that for Ohio (without causing a loss of vote in other states) you take that person.

**HoustonRaven** · 08-08-2012, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I'm not sure what you mean, I'm not talking approval numbers, I am talking about Rubio hands Mitt 2 to 3 points in Florida when asked who would you vote for.

If there is someone who can do that for Ohio (without causing a loss of vote in other states) you take that person.

I see what your saying now.

Rubio is wildly popular in Florida, thus would hand Florida to Mitt in November. Florida has 29 electoral votes. This makes things much easier for Mitt in terms of electoral math, thus allowing him to focus on states like Ohio, NC and PA.

**NCRAVEN** · 08-08-2012, 08:25 AM

I think Mitt has a good chance of winning Florida without Rubio, if Rubio gives Mitt a better chance of winning Ohio, Wis, Mich or PA than he's the definite pick.

I've being hearing a lot of people think it could be Ryan (which I think is a mistake) but we should be finding out probably with in a week and a half.

**HoustonRaven** · 08-08-2012, 08:28 AM

Agree about Ryan.

May as well hand it to Obama if Mitt picks him.

**StingerNLG** · 08-08-2012, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Come on gents.

Approval numbers don't mean dick with the VP pick. It's about EV numbers. That's what gets you elected.

If your VP pick hands you a state like Florida, you do it everyday and twice on Sunday.

So Obama needed Biden to win Delaware?

I agree Mitt doesn't need Rubio to take Florida. He will win Florida.

I'd rather have someone who can attack and fight. Rubio is not ready for that yet.

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**NCRAVEN** · 08-08-2012, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

So Obama needed Biden to win Delaware?

I agree Mitt doesn't need Rubio to take Florida. He will win Florida.

I'd rather have someone who can attack and fight. Rubio is not ready for that yet.

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Who do you think that is?

The only guys I could think of aren't VP candidates and there aren't many.

Gingrich and West, any one else?

**StingerNLG** · 08-08-2012, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Who do you think that is?

The only guys I could think of aren't VP candidates and there aren't many.

Gingrich and West, any one else?

I dunno. I liked the idea of Rice. I really like the idea of Bobby Jindal. If we really are looking for someone to help carry a state why not McDonnell from Virginia or Chris Christie in NJ? If that is the criteria we really need Virginia to swing back our way and right now i am not sure I see it.

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**NCRAVEN** · 08-08-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

I dunno. I liked the idea of Rice. I really like the idea of Bobby Jindal. If we really are looking for someone to help carry a state why not McDonnell from Virginia or Chris Christie in NJ? If that is the criteria we really need Virginia to swing back our way and right now i am not sure I see it.

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Are they attack dogs though (so to speak)?

I think McDonnell would be a good pick, his approval numbers (even among democrats) are good.

Christie will be an attack dog, but is a RINO.

**HoustonRaven** · 08-08-2012, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

So Obama needed Biden to win Delaware?

I agree Mitt doesn't need Rubio to take Florida. He will win Florida.

I'd rather have someone who can attack and fight. Rubio is not ready for that yet.

Obama didn't need Biden. Mitt DOES needs all the electoral math he can get. I am speaking of the specifics of this election, not of past ones.

And I am not sure where you two get your faith in Mitt carrying Florida automatically. Polling shows a dead heat. Broward, Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties are the three most populous and carry a heavy Latino population. Obama handily won those three counties in 2008. There is nothing to suggest otherwise this go around.

Attack and fighting is all well and good but if the pick doesn't bring you votes, what's the point.

**NCRAVEN** · 08-08-2012, 04:16 PM

Attack and fighting does get you votes. Or at least it get's you turn out amongst your base, a MAJOR problem in 2008.

I get my faith that he'll get Florida for a few reasons:
1. The older population there is scared to death of Obamacare.
2. Obama won it by just a few percentage points.
3. In almost every state Obama has lost 10% support, except those with unemployment under the national average or hardcore left states. Florida is above the national average.

**StingerNLG** · 08-08-2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Obama didn't need Biden. Mitt DOES needs all the electoral math he can get. I am speaking of the specifics of this election, not of past ones.

And I am not sure where you two get your faith in Mitt carrying Florida automatically. Polling shows a dead heat. Broward, Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties are the three most populous and carry a heavy Latino population. Obama handily won those three counties in 2008. There is nothing to suggest otherwise this go around.

Attack and fighting is all well and good but if the pick doesn't bring you votes, what's the point.

This is also not 2008 and the enthusiasm of older Jewish voters isn't there, not to mention the fact that Florida IS a dead heat right now. It shouldn't be if Obama is expected to retain that state. He should be far enough ahead to counter anything Romney has. Not to mention Obama is emptying his war chest and its still not giving him an advantage. Florida still has a conservative panhandle and they can swing the state to Romney.

Rubio also does nothing outside if Florida. He isn't going to factor in either states with Hispanic voters. So again, if you are banking on picking up a state that you are afraid to lose, Virginia or NJ is your play.

I'd rather have someone who can appeal in multiple states. And someone at the same time who can rally both the conservative and moderate Republican base. The fact that Romney is the nominee and not an ultraconservative says that both parts of the party need to get in line here.

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**HoustonRaven** · 08-08-2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Attack and fighting does get you votes. Or at least it get's you turn out amongst your base, a MAJOR problem in 2008.

I get my faith that he'll get Florida for a few reasons:
1. The older population there is scared to death of Obamacare.
2. Obama won it by just a few percentage points.
3. In almost every state Obama has lost 10% support, except those with unemployment under the national average or hardcore left states. Florida is above the national average.

I dont get where you think Seniors are scared of Obamacare. They are far more worried about Ryan and his ilk or similar plans. Obamacare, amongst its numerous faults, continues to fund Medicare as-is, an issue sacred to seniors. They were split in 2008 because McCain, well, is a senior. This time around, they are going to go Obama. Seniors account for about 17% of the population. Hispanics are now at 22%.

The registration purge in Florida is only thing going for Mitt in Florida right now. Rubio secures Florida, plain and simple. With Florida secure, Mitt can then "Fight and attack" in other states.