Confirmed: New offense similiar to Pats

**Stealthbirds80** · 08-09-2012, 09:14 AM

I knew I saw this a couple weeks ago and another eye has seen the same. The Ravens are changing the offense now as I presume they have the pieces they've always wanted.

I see less sacks for Joe and quicker patterns now. We probably will not see this tonight, but it's exciting.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...acco-too-much/

**JAB1985** · 08-09-2012, 09:26 AM

in the aspect of personnel we could easily have a very similar offense, im just not sure thats in Cams mindset to use it in similar ways. well see, i have my fingers crossed.

**Paintballguy** · 08-09-2012, 09:26 AM

I'm really excited to see Flacco and the 1st string offense tonight. Even if it is only for a series.

**NCCRavensFan** · 08-09-2012, 09:27 AM

When the unit gets into a 12- personnel set with one running back, two tight ends, two wide receivers it can “really present problems for any defense.”

So that's how the patriots have been cheating all these years! The giants just wanted to even up the numbers on that last drive.

**Stealthbirds80** · 08-09-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

in the aspect of personnel we could easily have a very similar offense, im just not sure thats in Cams mindset to use it in similar ways. well see, i have my fingers crossed.

Thats all we can do. Couple this with the Jaw film room with Joe, I think that it's not a question of if, but when. I'm sure the owner is sick of being a bridesmaid to the superbowl as well and Joe emphasized that in that interview.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 08-09-2012, 09:29 AM

Show it, I say!

**trailhiker85** · 08-09-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

in the aspect of personnel we could easily have a very similar offense, im just not sure thats in Cams mindset to use it in similar ways. well see, i have my fingers crossed.

Exactly. The bolded subheader in the article that's referenced for the thread title seems to make a little bit of a leap. The less glamorous non-bolded wording of the article actually states, "The analyst saw key offensive weapons that can be as dangerous as the folks in New England." Granted, they may increase the use of Two Tight End sets, but I'm not sure how similar that will make this offense to that of the Pats'. A lot will be in the playcalling, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Still, it sounds like a potentially positive development.

**Baltimoreboy** · 08-09-2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by NCCRavensFan

So that's how the patriots have been cheating all these years! The giants just wanted to even up the numbers on that last drive.

LOL,
I believe "12- personnel set " describes a package.
1 RB,2 TE,2WR
An 11 personnel set would have
1 RB,1 TE, and 3 WR

**PGCountyRaven85** · 08-09-2012, 09:41 AM

So does this mean the long developing Air Coryell offense (that's not a good fit for our OL) with all the 5-7 step drops is being tossed aside? I hope so. I think we've seen this before like against KC in the playoffs a few yrs back.

**JAB1985** · 08-09-2012, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

So does this mean the long developing Air Coryell offense (that's not a good fit for our OL) with all the 5-7 step drops is being tossed aside? I hope so. I think we've seen this before like against KC in the playoffs a few yrs back.

no. Cam is Air Coryell i dont think hes adept to change philosophy, if we wanted to do that we would have changed coordinators this year.

**RavensNTerps** · 08-09-2012, 09:57 AM

Yeah timing has always been a strong suit of Joe's game...can't see this going wrong

**Ravenswintitle** · 08-09-2012, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

no. Cam is Air Coryell i dont think hes adept to change philosophy, if we wanted to do that we would have changed coordinators this year.

or head coaches. Harb wants that type of ball control offense

**Stealthbirds80** · 08-09-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

no. Cam is Air Coryell i dont think hes adept to change philosophy, if we wanted to do that we would have changed coordinators this year.

Cam just needs to incorporate and not necessarily change it all. Some of what got us to the AFCCG is that philosophy, but you also see when it sputters (Jacksonville game/San Diego game).

San Diego runs close to the same offense. They are as inconsistent as they come as far as winning goes and the offense can go hot and cold, but still ranks pretty high. I think this may be a flaw with its current design, as well as player execution issues, but also the conservative nature of the coaches (Harbs too). All combined just makes us frustrated at the inability to get its potential to the max.

**Kyle Cactus** · 08-09-2012, 10:34 AM

Ditto to trailhiker.

The personnel groupings are what could look similar to the Pats. The play calling and execution will likely remain different. That doesn't mean there won't be changes. Flacco seems bound and determined to get this offense to change. I just don't think it's going to start closely resembling the Pats offense.

**GOTA** · 08-09-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus

Ditto to trailhiker.

The personnel groupings are what could look similar to the Pats. The play calling and execution will likely remain different. That doesn't mean there won't be changes. Flacco seems bound and determined to get this offense to change. I just don't think it's going to start closely resembling the Pats offense.

I agree. The Ravens don't have the Pats o-line or tight ends. The Pats don't have anyone close to Ray Rice. The Pats also love to do creative things with personnel. Can anyone see Dickson going in motion and becoming the RB like Hernandez does? Do the Patriots even have a fullback on their roster? These teams are very different I don't see how they could run similar systems.

**NjRavensFan** · 08-09-2012, 10:56 AM

Thats not what that article says. It says the personnel looks similar to the Pats and when they do go to the hurry up they could look like the Pats, not whether they will be going to the hurry up more or less often

**The Excellector** · 08-09-2012, 11:11 AM

Let's clear this up. When John Harbaugh says that they finally feel that they have the pieces to run their system, that system is and will be a Coryell based system. What they are saying is that you won't see possession slot guys running those less comfortable routes, nearly as often, because you now have Torrey and Jacoby. They tried it last year with Evans, who would have eventually been paired with Torrey, but Lee couldn't stay healthy.

Now, they have speed on both sides of Boldin, to put him in the slot where they really want him, and they have Dickson at TE. Now, we all know how Dickson can improve, so the jury may still be out on him. Plus, we know of Jacoby Jones' reputation.

However, what we also might see, coinciding with the arrival of Jim Caldwell, is an offense that does a better job of setting up what they are really trying to do.

Indianapolis' offense was also a vertical passing offense, not very sophisticated, with stretch run plays. A.) Peyton did a good job of faking audibles to get the defense out of position, and B.) They did a better job of setting up the deeper routes, with slants, ins, etc. Next, they would hit you with the sluggo, stop and go, etc.

That 'might' be what we see more of this year.

**wickedsolo** · 08-09-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by NCCRavensFan

So that's how the patriots have been cheating all these years! The giants just wanted to even up the numbers on that last drive.

**GOTA** · 08-09-2012, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by NjRavensFan

Thats not what that article says. It says the personnel looks similar to the Pats and when they do go to the hurry up they could look like the Pats, not whether they will be going to the hurry up more or less often

You're right. I heard Kirwin when he said it. He was talking about the Ravens using more 2 Tight Ends and a lot less Vontae Leach this year which is the formation the Patriots use mostly. That's a big jump to say that the Ravens offense will be similar to the Pats