Paul Ryan VP announcement imminent

[HoustonRaven]

You know, I am really curious as to what you guys actually like about Paul Ryan's budget proposal. Let me list all the things I DISLIKE about it:

Military spending is completely untouched. This is a huge portion of our spending (pretty disproportionate), and the Ryan budget would leave this completely untouched. Adjusted for inflation, we're spending more than what we were spending when we were dealing with a Soviet Nuclear threat. Great logic there.

And here is where I stopped reading.

The last true budget was in 2010, thanks to all the extensions.

Spending on defense was at $663.7 billion.

Social programs eclipsed that. Money spent on Social Security $695 billion, unemployment and welfare was $571 billion, medicare was $453 billion and medicaid was $290 billion. That's a total of just over $2 Trillion on social programs.

That means military spending is just over a quarter of what's spent on social programs. If you want to cut spending, you start with entitlements and Ryan's plan reforms much of that spending.

[CptJesus]

And here is where I stopped reading.

The last true budget was in 2010, thanks to all the extensions.

Spending on defense was at $663.7 billion.

Social programs eclipsed that. Money spent on Social Security $695 billion, unemployment and welfare was $571 billion, medicare was $453 billion and medicaid was $290 billion. That's a total of just over $2 Trillion on social programs.

That means military spending is just over a quarter of what's spent on social programs. If you want to cut spending, you start with entitlements and Ryan's plan reforms much of that spending.

No, if you want to cut spending, you cut EVERYTHING across the board. We're spending too much on defense. If you want to cut spending, you don't say:

"We're spending too much on defense, but there's other places to cut, so let's just cut those".

Everyone has to make sacrifices. Paul Ryan's budget plan would bring people like Mitt Romney's tax liability to almost nothing, while making the rest of us mere mortals pay MORE. How is that logical?

I'll be the first to agree that we need to cut entitlement spending. But there are plenty of OTHER places to cut spending that aren't being looked at.

[HoustonRaven]

No, if you want to cut spending, you cut EVERYTHING across the board. We're spending too much on defense. If you want to cut spending, you don't say:

"We're spending too much on defense, but there's other places to cut, so let's just cut those".

Everyone has to make sacrifices. Paul Ryan's budget plan would bring people like Mitt Romney's tax liability to almost nothing, while making the rest of us mere mortals pay MORE. How is that logical?

I'll be the first to agree that we need to cut entitlement spending. But there are plenty of OTHER places to cut spending that aren't being looked at.

Ok, now since you've moved the goal posts, what's your point?

You're critical of Ryan's plan because it doesn't cut in areas you feel should get some? Because that's not what you first said. And how about the man who could have actually done something about it these past four years? You're really telling me you're worried about Ryan's cuts over the spending done by Obama already?

Your first post mentioned logic. I don't see yours.

[CptJesus]

Ok, now since you've moved the goal posts, what's your point?

You're critical of Ryan's plan because it doesn't cut in areas you feel should get some? Because that's not what you first said. And how about the man who could have actually done something about it these past four years? You're really telling me you're worried about Ryan's cuts over the spending done by Obama already?

Your first post mentioned logic. I don't see yours.

I never said Obama's budget was fantastic. In fact, I quite clearly stated that I'm completely disillusioned with both parties. I'm critical of Ryan's plan because it disproportionately benefits the wealthy while shafting the middle and lower class. I just don't understand how anyone can sit there and say with a straight face that the Ryan Budget is the fix all, end all, be all plan, when there's plenty of problems with it. Instead, its being touted as this magic cure-all which is far from the truth.

Also, its interesting to note that spending by Obama has increased at a rate lower than seen in the past 60 years.

[HoustonRaven]

I never said Obama's budget was fantastic. In fact, I quite clearly stated that I'm completely disillusioned with both parties. I'm critical of Ryan's plan because it disproportionately benefits the wealthy while shafting the middle and lower class. I just don't understand how anyone can sit there and say with a straight face that the Ryan Budget is the fix all, end all, be all plan, when there's plenty of problems with it. Instead, its being touted as this magic cure-all which is far from the truth.

Well, you definitely have the class warfare talking points down.

You do know it's a bipartisan plan, right?

[CptJesus]

Well, you definitely have the class warfare talking points down.

You do know it's a bipartisan plan, right?

How is stating the facts class warfare exactly? It's interesting how you jump straight to that. Also, did you miss the part where I dislike BOTH PARTIES? Hold on, let me put that in bold and italics or something.

I HATE BOTH OUR POLITICAL PARTIES

[HoustonRaven]

How is stating the facts class warfare exactly?

"I'm critical of Ryan's plan because it disproportionately benefits the wealthy while shafting the middle and lower class."

That's how.

It's interesting how you jump straight to that. Also, did you miss the part where I dislike BOTH PARTIES? Hold on, let me put that in bold and italics or something.

I HATE BOTH OUR POLITICAL PARTIES

For someone who hates both parties, you're certainly mum about the one on the left.

[CptJesus]

"I'm critical of Ryan's plan because it disproportionately benefits the wealthy while shafting the middle and lower class."

That's how.



For someone who hates both parties, you're certainly mum about the one on the left.

That's a fact, not class warfare. The Ryan plan is a huge break for wealthy people who pay less taxes, and sucks for lower/middle class people who pay more taxes. Just because you cry class warfare, doesn't invalidate the facts.

The left has done plenty to annoy me. Obama has done more in the past 4 years to destroy the right to protest and make yourself heard than probably every president before him combined. Whistleblowers enjoy the lowest level of protection ever.

The Left sat around and tried to shove SOPA down our throats. Also a point of great disgust.

The economic situation is terrible, but I'm hesitant to blame any particular party for this one. After all, Bush left the country in shambles. Obama hasn't done much useful either. But it hasn't helped that Congress has actively blocked everything he tried to do.

Theres plenty wrong with everyone in our political system. But since economy and spending is essentially a wasted point, I can just fall back to my next criteria for voting which is social issues, and man do I hate the Republican stance on social issues.

[HoustonRaven]

Still waiting on those "facts".

I've read the CBO Analysis and I don't see anything close to what you claim.

[NCRAVEN]

"I'm critical of Ryan's plan because it disproportionately benefits the wealthy while shafting the middle and lower class."

That's how.



For someone who hates both parties, you're certainly mum about the one on the left.

Winner winner, Chicken Dinner!!!!

And that's how you know you're fighting a sock puppet...

[NCRAVEN]

The economic situation is terrible, but I'm hesitant to blame any particular party for this one. After all, Bush left the country in shambles. Obama hasn't done much useful either. But it hasn't helped that Congress has actively blocked everything he tried to do.

So you don't want to blame either party, but you'll blame Bush but not Obama?

And you blame the Republican Congress (or House since that's whose blocking him) but won't blame the Democratic congress(both House and Senate) from 2008 - 2010 who gave him everything he wanted?

Interesting.. and telling...

[StingerNLG]

Still waiting on those "facts".

I've read the CBO Analysis and I don't see anything close to what you claim.

It's on the last page in the side notes.

[CptJesus]

Its actually posted in the other thead, where you chose to ignore it. I'm losing track of where I'm posting.

I like how you bolded one part where I blamed Bush, but failed to point out the fact that I think Obama was worthless. And "Gave him everything he wanted?" Please, that's far from the truth. Our Congress has been dysfunctional for YEARS, and yes, that extends into the Bush administration. Let me give you a quote by Mitch McConnell

“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

[NCRAVEN]

Its actually posted in the other thead, where you chose to ignore it. I'm losing track of where I'm posting.

I like how you bolded one part where I blamed Bush, but failed to point out the fact that I think Obama was worthless. And "Gave him everything he wanted?" Please, that's far from the truth. Our Congress has been dysfunctional for YEARS, and yes, that extends into the Bush administration. Let me give you a quote by Mitch McConnell

“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

Yup... criticizing one but not the other.

Any out rage over this?

"I understand there's a presidential election going on," Reid said this morning on the Senate floor. "I clearly understand that. We do what we can to protect the president of the United States. And I know there are efforts to protect their nominee."

EDIT: And I bolded where you blamed Bush, but your "criticism" of Obama was... "Obama hasn't done much useful either. But it hasn't helped that Congress has actively blocked everything he tried to do." So you slightly criticize him but then say well... it's really congresses fault.

[CptJesus]

Yup... criticizing one but not the other.

Any out rage over this?

"I understand there's a presidential election going on," Reid said this morning on the Senate floor. "I clearly understand that. We do what we can to protect the president of the United States. And I know there are efforts to protect their nominee."

EDIT: And I bolded where you blamed Bush, but your "criticism" of Obama was... "Obama hasn't done much useful either. But it hasn't helped that Congress has actively blocked everything he tried to do." So you slightly criticize him but then say well... it's really congresses fault.

It is the fault of Congress. Just like it was almost entirely the fault of Congress during the Bush administration. Just like it will always be since, the President's actual power is pretty limited when it comes to most policy decisions. Politics is no longer about doing whats right for the people, its doing whats right for your party.

[NCRAVEN]

It is the fault of Congress. Just like it was almost entirely the fault of Congress during the Bush administration. Just like it will always be since, the President's actual power is pretty limited when it comes to most policy decisions. Politics is no longer about doing whats right for the people, its doing whats right for your party.

Finally we agree. And that is where I blame Obama. Ask anyone on Capitol Hill and they'll say it's never been this divided (at least while they've been there).

Harry Reid has not brought for a vote almost any pieces of legislation, budget, proposals etc. from the House, not even up for debate.

Why to protect the President who at EVERY chance he's had to move to the center or compromise has stood his ground or even gone further left.

[Dade]

Why to protect the President who at EVERY chance he's had to move to the center or compromise has stood his ground or even gone further left.

Thats one problem I have with Obama. No compromising whatsoever. Another promise from his campaign, to reach across party lines and get things accomplish, that he failed to live up to.

But its just not him. Everyone in Congress refuses to work with anyone on anything.

[AirFlacco]

UM, Boner caved in on compromises everytime like CAP N TRADE, THE BUDGET CUTS, and RAISING THE DEBT CEILING.

We knew this was gonna happen when he was 60 Mins and they
called him the great compromiser and he smiled. The Right wanted
trillions in cuts and he compromised to $33B or so.

That's called working with the other side - a little too much.

That's why he'll be out next time he runs.

[StingerNLG]

What I meant was that the young demographic never had such a huge turnout as they did in 08. Looks like there won't be a repeat performance this time around.

Not just that, but a really surprising turn is that right now Romney is polling 41% of the 18-29 vote, at least according to Zogby. Obama gets just 49%.

Seems like finally the younger generation is learning what Liberalism is all about, and turning to Libertarianism. That almost always bodes well for the Conservative side.

[Dade]

Not just that, but a really surprising turn is that right now Romney is polling 41% of the 18-29 vote, at least according to Zogby. Obama gets just 49%.

Seems like finally the younger generation is learning what Liberalism is all about, and turning to Libertarianism. That almost always bodes well for the Conservative side.

I wouldn't make that assumption just let. It's only mid August and still a long way to go before the election. Even if Romney is gaining ground with 18-29 year olds, they still have to show up to vote.

Also while I respect Zogby polls, their results are based on 1 day polling. Next month the story could be different.