Draft stuff...Tyrann Mathieu

**Iscull** · 08-12-2012, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Isn't spice entirely legal?

And he's still easily a first round pick, he would have had a shot at top 5... He's a better overall player then Morris Claiborne was...

In some states it is; however, it is probably a banned substance on their team (Hence violating team policy).

**The Excellector** · 08-13-2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

As a LSU fan I am beyond pissed at this guy. This team is in the hunt again for a National Championship. Big player on a big team would give him a good chance at big NFL money. Can't believe he would screw that up.

You seem surprised GOTA.

**JAB1985** · 08-13-2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

As a LSU fan I am beyond pissed at this guy. This team is in the hunt again for a National Championship. Big player on a big team would give him a good chance at big NFL money. Can't believe he would screw that up.

As an LSU fan is it true that hes not very good in coverage, and likely will be a late rounder for his return skills BEFORE this incident? I heard one or two scouts say they just arent impressed with his skills but love his athletic ability and instincts. I believe they said 4th at the earliest iirc.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 08-13-2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Isn't spice entirely legal?

And he's still easily a first round pick, he would have had a shot at top 5... He's a better overall player then Morris Claiborne was...

It is synthetic marijuana, and on the NFL's ( and NCAA) banned list. Doesn't matter if it is "legal" or not. There are lots of legal things you can buy that are on the list.

**NC Raven** · 08-14-2012, 08:40 AM

There was a good film breakdown on him last year. He gets away with a ton of gambling because there's always another guy there to make the hit. He doesn't have to play sound, fundamental wrap-up defense, so he gets more "stats."

Left unanswered was whether he could adjust his game to take care of his assignment without help in an environment (NFL) where he won't have the talent disparity he enjoys most Saturdays at the college level.

He might, he might not. But the film breakdown showed a ton of INT's, PD's, FF's, all in situations where he was one of 2-3 guys converging on the receiver, and was free to try and jump the route or go for the big hit, knowing that somebody was always right there to clean up -- which frequently they had to.

He's a good football player, but he reminds me of Macho Harris -- a great Hokie, but not suited to the NFL. A lot of pre-draft nonsense about being a late first/early second. Nearly declared early then withdrew it.... wound up barely making the Eagles in 09 and now out of the league. Right now that's about what I see with Mathieu -- a really good, really talented football player who at least right now, is not a good fit for the NFL game.

**JAB1985** · 08-14-2012, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by NC Raven

There was a good film breakdown on him last year. He gets away with a ton of gambling because there's always another guy there to make the hit. He doesn't have to play sound, fundamental wrap-up defense, so he gets more "stats."

Left unanswered was whether he could adjust his game to take care of his assignment without help in an environment (NFL) where he won't have the talent disparity he enjoys most Saturdays at the college level.

He might, he might not. But the film breakdown showed a ton of INT's, PD's, FF's, all in situations where he was one of 2-3 guys converging on the receiver, and was free to try and jump the route or go for the big hit, knowing that somebody was always right there to clean up -- which frequently they had to.

He's a good football player, but he reminds me of Macho Harris -- a great Hokie, but not suited to the NFL. A lot of pre-draft nonsense about being a late first/early second. Nearly declared early then withdrew it.... wound up barely making the Eagles in 09 and now out of the league. Right now that's about what I see with Mathieu -- a really good, really talented football player who at least right now, is not a good fit for the NFL game.

nice breakdown and basically coincides with what those scouts said.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 08-14-2012, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by NC Raven

There was a good film breakdown on him last year. He gets away with a ton of gambling because there's always another guy there to make the hit. He doesn't have to play sound, fundamental wrap-up defense, so he gets more "stats."

Left unanswered was whether he could adjust his game to take care of his assignment without help in an environment (NFL) where he won't have the talent disparity he enjoys most Saturdays at the college level.

He might, he might not. But the film breakdown showed a ton of INT's, PD's, FF's, all in situations where he was one of 2-3 guys converging on the receiver, and was free to try and jump the route or go for the big hit, knowing that somebody was always right there to clean up -- which frequently they had to.

He's a good football player, but he reminds me of Macho Harris -- a great Hokie, but not suited to the NFL. A lot of pre-draft nonsense about being a late first/early second. Nearly declared early then withdrew it.... wound up barely making the Eagles in 09 and now out of the league. Right now that's about what I see with Mathieu -- a really good, really talented football player who at least right now, is not a good fit for the NFL game.

Fantastic post, right on the money.

**SC_Raven_Fan** · 08-14-2012, 11:18 AM

Legalize it

**wickedsolo** · 08-14-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by NC Raven

There was a good film breakdown on him last year. He gets away with a ton of gambling because there's always another guy there to make the hit. He doesn't have to play sound, fundamental wrap-up defense, so he gets more "stats."

Left unanswered was whether he could adjust his game to take care of his assignment without help in an environment (NFL) where he won't have the talent disparity he enjoys most Saturdays at the college level.

He might, he might not. But the film breakdown showed a ton of INT's, PD's, FF's, all in situations where he was one of 2-3 guys converging on the receiver, and was free to try and jump the route or go for the big hit, knowing that somebody was always right there to clean up -- which frequently they had to.

He's a good football player, but he reminds me of Macho Harris -- a great Hokie, but not suited to the NFL. A lot of pre-draft nonsense about being a late first/early second. Nearly declared early then withdrew it.... wound up barely making the Eagles in 09 and now out of the league. Right now that's about what I see with Mathieu -- a really good, really talented football player who at least right now, is not a good fit for the NFL game.

Totally agree.

Excellent college player...prob not bringing a lot to the NFL table. At 5'9" and 175lbs you have to be a pretty special player to find a fit into an nfl defense.

**wickedsolo** · 08-14-2012, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by SC_Raven_Fan

Legalize it

While i dont disagree with you, thats not the point. He knows the expectations of LSU. They have been told to him plenty of times. He chose to disobey them.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 08-14-2012, 12:13 PM

I think Mathieu is that special player that will succeed despite not having ideal size. If a guy like Jim Leonhard can find a way to get on the field with his measurables, so can Mathieu.

When you make the plays he does, in the SEC, he is the type of guy that teams will find a way to get on the field.

**NC Raven** · 08-14-2012, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

While i dont disagree with you, thats not the point. He knows the expectations of LSU. They have been told to him plenty of times. He chose to disobey them.

Some have said the stuff he had may have been legal in Louisiana. Maybe so.

Even so, team rules are team rules. It's not against the law to be late for practice every day, but doing that will get you kicked off your football team.

**wickedsolo** · 08-14-2012, 12:23 PM

Im sure north alabama will take him.

**alien bird** · 08-16-2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Im sure north alabama will take him.

He has reportedly visited McNeese State. Also, about 20 schools have inquired about him. There are some reports that he may sit out the year and return to LSU for the 2013 season. If that's the case, he won't be in the next NFL draft.

**wickedsolo** · 08-16-2012, 11:54 AM

If he got booted from the team for team violations...why would that same team take him back?

His best bet is to transfer to a D-2 School and kick ass.

It's highly unlikely that he'd ever be a 1st round pick anyway just due to his size.

**GOTA** · 08-16-2012, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

You seem surprised GOTA.

I really thought this kid was on his way to a monster season. Didnt think he'd screw it up since he's seen others get kicked off the team in the past. A couple of years ago LSU dumped their best QB for violating team rules. They're serious about this and most players realize it.

**GOTA** · 08-16-2012, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

If he got booted from the team for team violations...why would that same team take him back?

His best bet is to transfer to a D-2 School and kick ass.

It's highly unlikely that he'd ever be a 1st round pick anyway just due to his size.

He's still a kid. I could see him at 190 - 195 come the Combine

**wickedsolo** · 08-16-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

He's still a kid. I could see him at 190 - 195 come the Combine

True, but again, he would have to be an exceptional player at corner to warrant a 1st round choice. Just my opinion, but it seems to me that 1st round corner backs are either physically gifted (Patrick Peterson, Dre Kirkpatrick, Jimmy Smith, etc) or exceptional players.

**jonboy79** · 08-16-2012, 12:23 PM

Not a good example, (as he hasn't done much inthe NFL) but he's already better then Alphonso Smith was, IMO.

**GOTA** · 08-16-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

True, but again, he would have to be an exceptional player at corner to warrant a 1st round choice. Just my opinion, but it seems to me that 1st round corner backs are either physically gifted (Patrick Peterson, Dre Kirkpatrick, Jimmy Smith, etc) or exceptional players.

I think he's more talented than Claiborne but nowhere close to Peterson both of which went pretty high.