Anyone have a Suggs update?

[Benny8444]

Something tells me the team knows a lot more than we think they know and are hiding something about his return.

Think about it. He is not on PUP, he is on the non football injury list. I dont really know the difference but I believe if he starts the season on the non football injury list he is not paid for games missed and that is a credit to the cap and something the team said they were not doing.

I have a feeling we see him a lot sooner than expected since he is not on PUP and we are not hearing anything from the team or Suggs or sources.

If they knew he would miss at least the first six games he would be on PUP. I think he is coming along a lot faster and may be back by week 4 or 5.

Usually when the team is quiet about things like this it means good news. and my gut tells me this is the case. I even think he starts the season on the roster so he can practice as soon as he can. If he were on PUP he could not practice until after week 6.

If they keep him on the non football injury list I think they can remove him before week 6 but he wont be paid for time missed. Maybe they informed him of that and asked if he was fine with it so they can get a Flacco deal done with the extra space.

Still, there is a lot going on we dont know about and probably some stuff being hidden.

[Haloti92]

I don't think there is any functional difference (in terms of taking up roster spots or date allowed to return) between the PUP and the NFI lists. I am pretty sure that if he starts the season on either, he cannot come back during the first 6 weeks.

I also am fairly sure the Ravens are indeed paying Suggs, as they said they would. Being on the NFI list doesn't preclude the team from paying the player (as far as I know), and I think the Ravens are just sort of being honest/safe about designating the injury as non-football related.

Anyone please correct me if I am wrong.

[Benny8444]

I think the NFI gives them the Right not to pay him but does not mean they actually have to go through with that and not pay him. I still think he can be taken off that list at any time during the season.

[leachisabeast]

The last update I heard was on that Harbaugh online chat thing the Ravens website do sometimes, and a fan asked if he believed that Suggs would play this year, and his answer was a confident "Yes, I do."

So who knows? I think it's way too spectulative to say he'll be back by week 4 though, I think week 10 at the very earliest is the best possible scenario, and even then, he wont be any where near as effective as he was last year. It will probably take at least 3 or 4 weeks of football action to become a starter again.

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

Suggs suffered one of the worst injuries you could possibly have, he isn't coming back until the calender turns to 2013. If he is lucky.

You haven't heard anything because he isn't anywhere remotely close to returning.

[s.r.genovese]

Suggs suffered one of the worst injuries you could possibly have, he isn't coming back until the calender turns to 2013. If he is lucky.

You haven't heard anything because he isn't anywhere remotely close to returning.

Not really. The recovery time is typically faster than ACL tears. The medical science behind Achilles Tears has increased to the point that the repaired Achilles is often stronger than the previous one.

You don't know anything more than we do so making declarative statements like that are very misleading. In all likelihood there is no update because there is nothing to update. He is rehabbing, it takes time.

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

Not really. The recovery time is typically faster than ACL tears. The medical science behind Achilles Tears has increased to the point that the repaired Achilles is often stronger than the previous one.

You don't know anything more than we do so making declarative statements like that are very misleading. In all likelihood there is no update because there is nothing to update. He is rehabbing, it takes time.

Achilles tears heal faster than ACL's??

Uh...no, they don't.

ACL's are a 6 month injury, achilles are 8-9 months.

Achilles tear is about the worst sporting injury you can possibly have. ACL has almost become a routine procedure these days.

Suggs is out for the year, he isn't coming back unless an act of God happens.

[s.r.genovese]

Achilles tears heal faster than ACL's??

Uh...no, they don't.

ACL's are a 6 month injury, achilles are 8-9 months.

Achilles tear is about the worst sporting injury you can possibly have. ACL has almost become a routine procedure these days.

Suggs is out for the year, he isn't coming back unless an act of God happens.

Full strength is not reached in 6 months with an ACL, that's just the time it takes to be able to cut again. That's why the healing time for Achilles is faster. It's also the reason why guys (including Lardarius Webb) take a lot longer to fully recover. After 8 months for the Achilles you're ready to go.

[leachisabeast]

Achilles tears heal faster than ACL's??

Uh...no, they don't.

ACL's are a 6 month injury, achilles are 8-9 months.

Achilles tear is about the worst sporting injury you can possibly have. ACL has almost become a routine procedure these days.

Suggs is out for the year, he isn't coming back unless an act of God happens.

If that was the case, the Ravens would IR him. I think ruling him out completely is a bit over the top.

[Ravenswintitle]

I've heard a few doctors on SiriusNFL discuss his injury and say that a partial tear is worse than a complete separation. None of us know when he's going to heal but if he plays this year it will surprise me. You just don't rush an injury like this and risk your career.

[HoustonRaven]

He had a partial tear and the surgery was percutaneous. Meaning, it wasn't a full rupture nor did they do a deep incision.

Everything I'm reading says 6 months.

If he truly was out until 2013, they would have IR'd him.

[leachisabeast]

He had a partial tear and the surgery was percutaneous. Meaning, it wasn't a full rupture nor did they do a deep incision.

Everything I'm reading says 6 months.

If he truly was out until 2013, they would have IR'd him.

I expect him back at around late October at the earliest, and sometime in November as a more realistic date. It will probably take him until December to get back into form, and he will probably force his way back into the starting team by then.

[blacknpurplepain]

Every ones body heals differently so those times being posted are the average healing times. He could be ready a month before or a month or 2 later. I think he will play this year

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[lobachevsky]

Suggs is out for the year, he isn't coming back unless an act of God happens.

Backing off even a little from your customary absolute certainty is IMO a positive development, & I for one hope it's a sign of things to come.

And FTR if Sizzle is back on the field this year at even close to his normal level, it wouldn't matter to this atheist if anyone wanted to attribute it to divine intervention. Just so he's back.

I've heard a few doctors on SiriusNFL discuss his injury and say that a partial tear is worse than a complete separation.

That's a bit hard to figure--if that were the case, then why wouldn't the surgeon just rip the tendon the rest of the way & then stitch it back together?

[Terpsfan82]

And FTR if Sizzle is back on the field this year at even close to his normal level, it wouldn't matter to this atheist if anyone wanted to attribute it to divine intervention. Just so he's back. That's a bit hard to figure--if that were the case, then why wouldn't the surgeon just rip the tendon the rest of the way & then stitch it back together?[/QUOTE]


Agreed. If they break bones to reset them, why don't they do that?

[mrfactoid]

I've heard a few doctors on SiriusNFL discuss his injury and say that a partial tear is worse than a complete separation. None of us know when he's going to heal but if he plays this year it will surprise me. You just don't rush an injury like this and risk your career.

As most of you know the lack of bloodflow is the reason tendon and ligment injuries take so long to heal. So if a tendon has 100,000 strands and you tear 20,000 as oposed to all 100,000 you can see a partial will heal more quickly and allow for rehab to begin much quicker which will get you on the field sooner. A partial is alot less invasive of a surgery as compared to a full tear.

[Ravenswintitle]

He had a partial tear and the surgery was percutaneous. Meaning, it wasn't a full rupture nor did they do a deep incision.

Everything I'm reading says 6 months.

If he truly was out until 2013, they would have IR'd him.

They're holding out hope so it would make no sense to put him on IR. It's worth the gamble

[Benny8444]

They gave a 4-6 month time table which would put a return in early novermber the latest with that timetable. it appears that there have not been any setbacks as he was off crutches in June and out of the boot a month ago.

He plays this year and it would seem more logical given that he was out of the boot a month ago (maybe more since he spoke to the media at mini camp around late July). that he is doing better than expected.

I am sure once sept 10 gets closer there will be an update but history shows when the Ravens are this tight lipped that something is good.

[TheJoeFlaccoShow]

They gave a 4-6 month time table which would put a return in early novermber the latest with that timetable. it appears that there have not been any setbacks as he was off crutches in June and out of the boot a month ago.

He plays this year and it would seem more logical given that he was out of the boot a month ago (maybe more since he spoke to the media at mini camp around late July). that he is doing better than expected.

I am sure once sept 10 gets closer there will be an update but history shows when the Ravens are this tight lipped that something is good.

That "timetable" was Suggs wildly optimistic, day after injury statement. The team made no such comment, and neither did any doctor because they would never make such a ridiculous statement. And a week later Suggs backed off that statement, when he realized he wasn't Superman and no human has EVER come back from this injury in that amount of time. Go find me someone if you don't believe it. Anyone, any sport. Never happened.

While you are at it google NFL players achilles tear and see what comes up. Look at how long it was from the injury date until they got back. It was 8-10 months in every single case, and there were plenty to choose from. (I think I found about 10 or so when I looked before)

And we went over this before in another thread, there is no difference in a full or partial tear. It is the same surgery to fix it, same recovery time. A long time.

The best case scenario is he comes back for the last couple games and playoffs, but then the question is how effective is he going to be?? No contact, no real football action for 8 months just running in shorts.

Anything we get from Suggs this year is gravy. If you expect anything substantial you are just setting yourself up for a letdown.

Maybe he will defy all odds, and become the first person on the earth to miraculously recover in a time that was before not humanly possibly. I mean it could happen I guess, and I would love to be wrong but the odds of that are slim.

[Benny8444]

There IS a difference between a full and partial tear

1. The incision is much smaller.

2. There is less to reattach since the entire tendon is not broken.

3. I know people who have had the same injury (partial tear, upper part) and the recovery time of 4-6 months is about right. 4 is optomistic but 5-6 is about right. He has been out of he boot and crutches and walking for over a month. I expect a return around the bye week.

He will be back sooner than people think.