So, any OL doubters turning into believers now?

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-17-2012, 04:00 PM

^ Think it's time to watch the disaster of Oher walk. Stop spending money on him. Take his money AND McKinnie's and go get a middle of the road LT, doesn't even need to be a Clady or etc....

Oh and kill the drunk. I really wish major injury on that fool.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-17-2012, 04:07 PM

I'm officially starting the bring Bushrod back to MD camp now! Grew up in VA, wen't to Towson mayb he'd like to come back to the area? Wouldn't cost as much as the Clady's and etc..... but still a good LT and might wanna get away from that cluster in NO.

**jonboy79** · 12-18-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I'm officially starting the bring Bushrod back to MD camp now! Grew up in VA, wen't to Towson mayb he'd like to come back to the area? Wouldn't cost as much as the Clady's and etc..... but still a good LT and might wanna get away from that cluster in NO.

Bushrod might jsut be worse then Oher... certainly the same level of player at LT. Flacco makes Oher look worse then he is, and Brees makes Bushrod look lightyears better then he is. And this is coming from Oher's biggest critic ever.

**wickedsolo** · 12-18-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Bushrod might jsut be worse then Oher... certainly the same level of player at LT. Flacco makes Oher look worse then he is, and Brees makes Bushrod look lightyears better then he is. And this is coming from Oher's biggest critic ever.

That is some narrow-minded shit right there.

Neither Oher or Flacco are helping each other out, but by the way you talk about it you'd think that there weren't other factors in the offensive ineptitude. Like every other player was a damn all-star and Flacco is holding everyone back.

**MD Boy** · 12-18-2012, 11:06 AM

Mckinnie could start or at least get plaing time this Sunday. Thank God.

According to the Sun:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...8,0,5329.story

**AirFlacco** · 12-18-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

That is some narrow-minded shit right there.

Neither Oher or Flacco are helping each other out, but by the way you talk about it you'd think that there weren't other factors in the offensive ineptitude. Like every other player was a damn all-star and Flacco is holding everyone back.

I guess you don't listen to talk shows either. Just about everyone in town has blamed Joe over the years and now. I never got on that band wagon but I call things as I see them.

I love Joe but one thing true about him is he held the ball too long the first 4 years while he was trying to read the defense and waited to long for Mason and Boldin to get separation. Much has been written about it.

As Casserly said a few weeks ago on TV, Joe has improved this year. He has a quicker release this year and is reading the defenses better.

That was before Pissburgh and Skins games where he re-gressed.

But holding the ball too long has long been a legit Flacco determent. It makes the entire
O-line look worse.

The QB only gets 2 secs to throw the ball with rushers like Suggs who can get into the back field with only 2 steps.

**Dirt1** · 12-18-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by MD Boy

Mckinnie could start or at least get plaing time this Sunday. Thank God.

According to the Sun:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...8,0,5329.story

This is too funny.

The current two starting tackles, Michael Oher on the left and Kelechi Osemele on the right, have struggled against speed rushers and left guard Jah Reid struggles against everybody.

**The Excellector** · 12-18-2012, 11:52 AM

Next season, whether it is a first round 'can't miss' prospect or a high priced FA, they had better find a way to get somebody in here to play LT, so that Oher and Yanda can go back to wreaking havoc on the right side. Osemele is struggling more than Oher and could probably do with a shift inside. If the Saints could afford to pay Brees and two high priced Guards. I think the Ravens can make room for a high priced LT along with Yanda (Already paid).

Ryan Clady, Jake Long, somebody.

Clady, Osemele, Gradkowski, Yanda, Oher.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-18-2012, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

I guess you don't listen to talk shows either. Just about everyone in town has blamed Joe over the years and now. I never got on that band wagon but I call things as I see them.

I love Joe but one thing true about him is he held the ball too long the first 4 years while he was trying to read the defense and waited to long for Mason and Boldin to get separation. Much has been written about it.

As Casserly said a few weeks ago on TV, Joe has improved this year. He has a quicker release this year and is reading the defenses better.

That was before Pissburgh and Skins games where he re-gressed.

But holding the ball too long has long been a legit Flacco determent. It makes the entire
O-line look worse.

The QB only gets 2 secs to throw the ball with rushers like Suggs who can get into the back field with only 2 steps.

The OL isn't good. That is an issue.

But yes, Joe does 2 things that sometimes make his OL look worse than it is. The first is holding onto the ball too long. Now that can be remedied by calling plays that call for shorter routes and plays that allow for WR's who struggle to get open like bunches and motion.

The other is Joe doesn't do a good job of moving IN the pocket. Often, at the first sign of pressure...especially from the outside, he just runs out of the pocket or drifts backwards...either eliminating half the field or potentially taking him right into the path of an outside rusher. He doesn't really sidestep or step up much. I know he can't do that all the time, but it goes with part of what makes the great guys great. That's why I REALLY liked that TD throw to Pitta against the Redskins where he slid...not ran...but slid out to the side and kept all his options open downfield.

**leachisabeast** · 12-18-2012, 12:16 PM

People need to go watch tape on KO, sure he has his struggles for a rookie, but he is holding out much better at RT than people give him credit for. If anyone needs to move inside, it's Oher.

**Dirt1** · 12-18-2012, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

People need to go watch tape on KO, sure he has his struggles for a rookie, but he is holding out much better at RT than people give him credit for. If anyone needs to move inside, it's Oher.

That move would probably cause the least amount of disruption to the OL for the remainder of this year. Oher at LG and McKinnie at LT, while keeping KO at RT. The Ravens can then re-evaluate their OL options in the off-season.

**leachisabeast** · 12-18-2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

That move would probably cause the least amount of disruption to the OL for the remainder of this year. Oher at LG and McKinnie at LT, while keeping KO at RT. The Ravens can then re-evaluate their OL options in the off-season.

IF I was harbaugh that's what I'd do anyway. Draft a LT, and keep Oher as the long term LG, and KO at RT as he continues to develop. Just look at the logic here, KO has the perfect size and length to play OT, Oher... not so much. Oher has the perfect size and skill set to be a great guard, why hasn't the coaches seen this?

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-18-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

IF I was harbaugh that's what I'd do anyway. Draft a LT, and keep Oher as the long term LG, and KO at RT as he continues to develop. Just look at the logic here, KO has the perfect size and length to play OT, Oher... not so much. Oher has the perfect size and skill set to be a great guard, why hasn't the coaches seen this?

Been saying this since 2010.
Oher is almost the exact same height and weight as Yanda.

They're both built to be guards, though they can play right tackle in a pinch, but that's not their natural positions.

KO and Harewood are built to be right tackle/guard swing o-linemen.

Only McKinnie and Jah Reid are built to be left tackles.

And yet, they've got Reid playing guard even though being tall there is a huge disadvantage as it makes it easier for D-lineman to get underneath your pads and drive you up and backwards.
Between Reid, Birk, and now Bobby Williams getting shoved into the backfield, Flacco has nowhere to step up into the pocket.
He doesn't even have a pocket, which is what a prototypical drop back pocket passer like Flacco absolutely NEEDS.

**jonboy79** · 12-18-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

That is some narrow-minded shit right there.

Neither Oher or Flacco are helping each other out, but by the way you talk about it you'd think that there weren't other factors in the offensive ineptitude. Like every other player was a damn all-star and Flacco is holding everyone back.

well, errr, NO.

Does Flacco hold the ball too ong? YES,
Does Brees get rid of the ball quicker then possibly anyone in the history of the league, YES.

That's All I was trying to say. Oher nearly ended the last 4 games by allowing sacks. 3 of them were strip/sacks, and he got lucky enough to fall on the first of those in SD.

I was just trying to point out that Oher would loo better in NO and Bushrod would look worse in BAL. Idont' think Bushrod is the answer. Clady and ong would be the answer, but aren't even certainly shakign free, and are unlikely to be close to affordable.

AND, YAYYYYYY MCKINNIE, now we at least get to see... can't possibly be worse, can he?

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-18-2012, 02:40 PM

I'm telling yall.
KC's Brendan Albert from right here in Glen Burnie.
8th best pass blocking tackle according to PFF.com.
Don't sleep.

**jonboy79** · 12-18-2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

I'm telling yall.
KC's Brendan Albert from right here in Glen Burnie.
8th best pass blocking tackle according to PFF.com.
Don't sleep.

Acceptable solluction to the problem.

**wickedsolo** · 12-18-2012, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

well, errr, NO.

Does Flacco hold the ball too ong? YES,
Does Brees get rid of the ball quicker then possibly anyone in the history of the league, YES.

That's All I was trying to say. Oher nearly ended the last 4 games by allowing sacks. 3 of them were strip/sacks, and he got lucky enough to fall on the first of those in SD.

I was just trying to point out that Oher would loo better in NO and Bushrod would look worse in BAL. Idont' think Bushrod is the answer. Clady and ong would be the answer, but aren't even certainly shakign free, and are unlikely to be close to affordable.

AND, YAYYYYYY MCKINNIE, now we at least get to see... can't possibly be worse, can he?

I know what you were trying to say. Joe holding onto the ball means Oher has to block longer...which he can't. I get it. From my perspective, I just see A LOT more going on than Joe just holding the ball too long. On a lot of those plays where he holds the ball too long he is waiting for someone to break open. That is the problem with Cam's version of the Coryell. It takes too long for the play to develop and damn near everything is 20 yards down the field. That takes time to set up. This OL isn't able to give Flacco more than a few seconds.

**darthpemo** · 12-18-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I know what you were trying to say. Joe holding onto the ball means Oher has to block longer...which he can't. I get it. From my perspective, I just see A LOT more going on than Joe just holding the ball too long. On a lot of those plays where he holds the ball too long he is waiting for someone to break open. That is the problem with Cam's version of the Coryell. It takes too long for the play to develop and damn near everything is 20 yards down the field. That takes time to set up. This OL isn't able to give Flacco more than a few seconds.

I did see some different routes run - it wasn't all isolation.... I think Caldwell is going to be an improvement (over cam but maybe not the best fit)... real shame that Flacco had such a bad game. He fumbled a first down and had a nice drive ending in a pick - 6. I don't believe we were going to win, I would really like to have seen how much different the game would have been without those turnovers.

**jonboy79** · 12-18-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I know what you were trying to say. Joe holding onto the ball means Oher has to block longer...which he can't. I get it. From my perspective, I just see A LOT more going on than Joe just holding the ball too long. On a lot of those plays where he holds the ball too long he is waiting for someone to break open. That is the problem with Cam's version of the Coryell. It takes too long for the play to develop and damn near everything is 20 yards down the field. That takes time to set up. This OL isn't able to give Flacco more than a few seconds.

Agreed. Oher is hot garbage as a LT. I place more blame on his shoulders then Flacco's, I was simply trying to point out that that there is some back and forth as I get called out for being to anit-Oher far too often.

**leachisabeast** · 12-18-2012, 04:23 PM

Maybe if Flacco accepts what he is, and takes a Matt Shaubb pay check, maybe we will be able to afford Brandon Alberts. What wonders it could do for our offense.