Officiating (Merged Threads)

**HHIRaven** · 09-16-2012, 04:02 PM

If I recall right all the PI calls on defense were really called as illegal contact yet they called a PI call on Jones in the end zone.
has there ever been a game called like this before?????
i hate blaming the refs but we got screwed here.

**Real Fan Dan** · 09-16-2012, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Bad thread, IMO.

I didn't see anything that puts this loss on the refs.

You're right.
Flacco was terrible. He has absolutely no business throwing at one of his recievers when the defender is hanging all over him. The Refs were correct on every call and a 7-14 point swing has absolutely nothing to do with a 1 run ball game.

**LC_Ravens_87** · 09-16-2012, 04:04 PM

Not going to weigh in on whether the calls were one-sided, but if you can't admit this was the worst officiated game you have ever seen in the NFL, you'll have to send me the tape. They lost complete control of the game with at least 6 different fights.

They repeatedly didn't know where to spot the ball. At least 5-8 times they had to huddle up to check, and re-check spots. They did not know the correct distance for an offensive pass interference. They called a fumble on Vick that was clearly an incomplete pass. And I don't know how Vick didn't have grounding called against him on that play when the ball didn't make it to the LOS. There were 2 Two minute warnings.

They repeatedly called Illegal Contact when the correct and only call could have been P.I. And they repeatedly missed holding and illegal contact. They made a borderline Offensive P.I. call where the defender didn't even see the ball. And there was zero consistency with how roughing the passer was being called.

This was amateur hour (or I suppose amateur 4:30 hours given how long the game took with all their mistakes) pure and simple.

**Maverick Hiker** · 09-16-2012, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by dweezil22

There are a lot of calls that are subjective that someone can say went against the Ravens (especially the absurd PI call on Jones; and about 3 PI's that were instead called illegal contact), and I think on the merit of those alone it was pretty bad. However, the one that REALLY gets me is the Vick overturned fumble. He clearly doesn't fumble, but he also CLEARLY intentionally grounds it. The only people in 5 yard of that ball are Eagle OL's (and none particularly close). Vick is in the pocket, and the ball never makes it back to the line of scrimmage. It is TEXTBOOK intentional grounding. If they call that properly, it's 3 and goal from the 7 or 10, not the 1. They ignore the penalty when they overturn the fumble ruling and boom, Eagles walk it into the endzone. That's a game changing call, and I don't think it's at all subjective, anyone that watches the play and knows the rules would recognize it.

I think Vick was out of the pocket and towards the sideline and that's why that wasn't intentional grounding. QB's always thrown it away in that situation and the rule says no IG. I think the rule should be changed but it is what it is.

**RavenusMaximus** · 09-16-2012, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMRaven

And what about the pass interference no-call when Torrey was being mugged? Joe was off for a lot of this game, but that ball was thrown well and would have been a td if caught and definitely a first down at the spot of the foul if not.

Yes. That was another one I forgot about.

I was pretty pissed off this entire game because the calls were so one sided. If they were not, the score would not have even been close at the end.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 09-16-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Knox Harrington

How is the non intentional grounding call on the eagles last drive not worthy of questioning the officials?

You go from 3rd and goal on the 2 to 3rd and goal on the 12. Much, much different scenario.

They were pretty bad, but we ha a chance late in the game that we didn't execute.

Vick was outside of the pocket. There is no grounding there.

**Real Fan Dan** · 09-16-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Maverick Hiker

I think Vick was out of the pocket and towards the sideline and that's why that wasn't intentional grounding. QB's always thrown it away in that situation and the rule says no IG. I think the rule should be changed but it is what it is.

He was 2 feet from the left hash, definitely inside the tackle box and he threw it to his guard and tackle who were about 5 yds to his left lol.

**Dade** · 09-16-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Maverick Hiker

I think Vick was out of the pocket and towards the sideline and that's why that wasn't intentional grounding. QB's always thrown it away in that situation and the rule says no IG. I think the rule should be changed but it is what it is.

True but he was in the grasp of the defender...should've been called a sack. QB are not allowed to flick the ball forward to avoid a negative play while taking a sack.

**Dade** · 09-16-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Maverick Hiker

I hope the NFL does something about this. At the very least the "official" who robbed the Ravens of the game winning TD should be fired.

That idiot didn't even throw a flag. He threw the bean bag...THE BEAN BAG.

**NOLARavenFAN** · 09-16-2012, 04:09 PM

Vick was not outside that pocket thats textbook intentional grounding......

**CRZA938** · 09-16-2012, 04:11 PM

Regs were not good, but the Ravens were worse. The second to last pass of the game by Joe was awful.

**ravensinva** · 09-16-2012, 04:13 PM

Owners are too greedy, there won't be a deal until most of the teams lose one game because of the scabs.

**HoustonRaven** · 09-16-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dade

True but he was in the grasp of the defender...should've been called a sack. QB are not allowed to flick the ball forward to avoid a negative play while taking a sack.

Doesn't matter.

Once you're outside the pocket, you the chuck the ball forward all you want.

**Dade** · 09-16-2012, 04:14 PM

I'll say it again. Vick was in the grasp of Ngata. Play should've been blown dead, ruled a sack. Would've been 3rd and goal from the 7.

Officials are to blow the play dead as soon as the quarterback is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler, and his safety is in jeopardy.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Doesn't matter.

Once you're outside the pocket, you the chuck the ball forward all you want.

Doesn't say anything about being outside the pocket.

**ravensinva** · 09-16-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by CRZA938

Regs were not good, but the Ravens were worse. The second to last pass of the game by Joe was awful.

didn't Joe had a game like that against Pitt 2 years ago? Horrible pass to Rice on 4th down.

**RockyMRaven** · 09-16-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Real Fan Dan

You're right.
Flacco was terrible. He has absolutely no business throwing at one of his recievers when the defender is hanging all over him. The Refs were correct on every call and a 7-14 point swing has absolutely nothing to do with a 1 run ball game.

Dan with all due respect, although Flacco was terrible, that has nothing to do with a really bad offensive pi call on Jones, an even worse defensive pi non-call when Torrey was trying to get under Joe's pass. Particularly in view of the fact that Joe's throws were off, to take away a perfectly thrown td and a well-thrown sideline pass by disgracefully bad calls was the difference between winning the game and being edged out of the win. The officiating was horrible.

**NOLARavenFAN** · 09-16-2012, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMRaven

Particularly in view of the fact that Joe's throws were off, to take away a perfectly thrown td and a well-thrown sideline pass by disgracefully bad calls was the difference between winning the game and being edged out of the win. The officiating was horrible.

This.....really simple.

**NCCRavensFan** · 09-16-2012, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Doesn't matter.

Once you're outside the pocket, you the chuck the ball forward all you want.

That is not correct, the ball still needs to cross the line of scrimmage, which on that play was the 1 yard line. The ball hit the ground at the 5 yard line with no receivers in the area and should have been intentional grounding.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/intentionalgrounding

Read the last section.

**HoustonRaven** · 09-16-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by NCCRavensFan

That is not correct, the ball still needs to cross the line of scrimmage, which on that play was the 1 yard line. The ball hit the ground at the 5 yard line with no receivers in the area and should have been intentional grounding.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/intentionalgrounding

Read the last section.

Read that again.

You made my argument for me.

**LC_Ravens_87** · 09-16-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by NCCRavensFan

That is not correct, the ball still needs to cross the line of scrimmage, which on that play was the 1 yard line. The ball hit the ground at the 5 yard line with no receivers in the area and should have been intentional grounding.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/intentionalgrounding

Read the last section.

Just going to post the same thing. Height of arrogance to act like you know all the rules before reading the actual rules...

Item 1: Passer or Ball Outside Tackle Position. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer,
who is outside, or has been outside, the tackle position throws a forward pass that lands at or beyond
the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including
when the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or endline). If a loose ball leaves the area
bordered by the tackles, this area no longer exists; if the ball is recovered, all intentional grounding
rules apply as if the passer is outside this area.