486 Yards of Offense

**LC_Ravens_87** · 09-16-2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Pees looked terrified of bringing any pressure of Vick because of his ability to scramble...also looked like we did a lot of spying. You aren't going to beat Vick by being terrified of his scrambling and having a spy is pointless as that takes a guy out of pass zones and Vick can easily outrun Ray/Ellerbe/McClain.

Not the best game plan today...

Agree with that. Never seen an LB/DE spy beat Michael Vick

**GOTA** · 09-16-2012, 04:52 PM

Hopefully we see a lot of pressure against Brady. If you stand around he's going to shed the defense.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 09-16-2012, 04:52 PM

Yeah, look at what the Giants have done to him...they aren't afraid to blitz him and they do a good job of containing him.

Playing scared plays right into his hands.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Yeah, look at what the Giants have done to him...they aren't afraid to blitz him and they do a good job of containing him.

Playing scared plays right into his hands.

When we rushed him is when we were succussful

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Hopefully we see a lot of pressure against Brady. If you stand around he's going to shed the defense.

He will be pressured. AZ got him big and they dont have the talent we have on D.

Their o Line is weak and he will be pressured. We have always pressured pocket passers. Its the Mobile QBs we just like to rush 3 and watch them run around then find an open TE or WR

The defensive game plan is what led to at least 150-200 of their yards. they needed to keep bringing 4-5

**ravensnhokies** · 09-16-2012, 04:59 PM

With these replacement refs, you don't play 10yds off... You hold. You right.. jamming is risky against the Jackson type WR, but screw it, grab the shit out of them, b/c the refs aint gonna call it. If you aint cheating, you aint winning

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 09-16-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

With these replacement refs, you don't play 10yds off... You hold. You right.. jamming is risky against the Jackson type WR, but screw it, grab the shit out of them, b/c the refs aint gonna call it. If you aint cheating, you aint winning

And hell, they aren't even if you commit DPI, they are only calling holding or illegal contact which is only 5 yards.

**GOTA** · 09-16-2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

He will be pressured. AZ got him big and they dont have the talent we have on D.

Their o Line is weak and he will be pressured. We have always pressured pocket passers. Its the Mobile QBs we just like to rush 3 and watch them run around then find an open TE or WR

The defensive game plan is what led to at least 150-200 of their yards. they needed to keep bringing 4-5

They don't have a Ngata but if you add up all those guys the Cards have from top to bottom they're pretty damn good. Patrick Peterson was a monster against the Patriots today and even played offense. Calais Campbell and Darnell Dockett are better rushing d-lineman than any we have. Daryl Washington is one of the better MLBs in the NFL and just signed a huge contract because of it. Rhodes and Wilson are a solid pair of safeties even though they're getting up there. That's a good pressure defense when healthy. They just can't overcome injuries.

**Terpsfan82** · 09-16-2012, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

And hell, they aren't even if you commit DPI, they are only calling holding or illegal contact which is only 5 yards.

I agree. A good coach adjusts to the officiating as well. I'm curious to see next week's gameplan. On another note, is it possible that our secondary is missing Pagano? They loved him as their db coach.

**Ravenous1** · 09-16-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

I agree. A good coach adjusts to the officiating as well. I'm curious to see next week's gameplan. On another note, is it possible that our secondary is missing Pagano? They loved him as their db coach.

I do not see the secondary as the major issue. There was the blown coverage on the Macklin TD...that happens.

The biggest issue is yea they hit Vick many times but it was not till 5,6,7,8 seconds after the snap. You give any QB that time they will pick you apart. Give Vick that type of time he will shred you. You cannot expect any DB to cover that long.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 09-16-2012, 05:22 PM

The secondary didn't play well, but Vick FEASTED on the middle of the field. And that falls on our LB's. They were horrible in pass coverage today.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

The secondary didn't play well, but Vick FEASTED on the middle of the field. And that falls on our LB's. They were horrible in pass coverage today.

The secondary was fine, The WRs numbers were not major at all. It was the LBs who stayed in to "spy" on vick left the middle of the field open to the TE. THe CBs actually played well. The only long pass to Jackson was good coverage but just a perfect pass and there is no defense for a perfect pass.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

I do not see the secondary as the major issue. There was the blown coverage on the Macklin TD...that happens.

The biggest issue is yea they hit Vick many times but it was not till 5,6,7,8 seconds after the snap. You give any QB that time they will pick you apart. Give Vick that type of time he will shred you. You cannot expect any DB to cover that long.

I agree, the Ravens often did not rush Vick and mean not even try and just want to contain him and that is when they were burned. When we actually rushed him we were very successful. That is how you beat Vick not by just having 3 players eat up space and try to contain. when you give ANY QB 5-7 seconds to throw a WR will break from the coverage when the QB is moving and will make a play. Its not the pass rush, its not the secondary, it was the coaches today.

**StingerNLG** · 09-16-2012, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

The secondary was fine, The WRs numbers were not major at all. It was the LBs who stayed in to "spy" on vick left the middle of the field open to the TE. THe CBs actually played well. The only long pass to Jackson was good coverage but just a perfect pass and there is no defense for a perfect pass.

If by CB's playing well means Webb but not Smith or Williams. But how you allow a tight end like Celek to be that wide open multiple times a game is ridiculous.

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**GOTA** · 09-16-2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

The secondary didn't play well, but Vick FEASTED on the middle of the field. And that falls on our LB's. They were horrible in pass coverage today.

It's not just linebackers. If a TE is eating up a team they usually adjust which means at least some safety help. Celek was wide open the whole game. It's like no one was covering him.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

If by CB's playing well means Webb but not Smith or Williams. But how you allow a tight end like Celek to be that wide open multiple times a game is ridiculous.

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Smith played well had that great coverage on Jacksons catch it was just a perfect throw and also defended him on the sideline on a 3rd down. Williams had one bad play on the misscomunication. The TE is the LBs problem and they were busy watching Vick run around the back field while Celek was getting open

**redmike34** · 09-16-2012, 06:04 PM

I don't know, guys. How can you complain about a defensive effort that netted FOUR turnovers? Sure, they gave up a lot of yards, but they also got off the field and handed the ball to the offense four times! The offense did almost nothing with the opportunities the defense handed them.

If the offense could have stayed on the field, the defense gives up a lot fewer yards. But they couldn't. Philly beat us in TOP by almost 10 minutes despite coughing up the ball four times.

This game is down to the offense failing IMO. The defense could not have done a lot more. Only giving up 24 points when you give up ~500 yards is not bad scoring defense. Look how many yards a few other offenses got today, then look at the amount of points they put up.

**Benny8444** · 09-16-2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

It's not just linebackers. If a TE is eating up a team they usually adjust which means at least some safety help. Celek was wide open the whole game. It's like no one was covering him.

The people who were supposed to were watching Vick when they should have been covering Celek. It takes 1 player to spy on vick not 3 they could have had 2 LBs on Celek or been more effective by rushing him like they did early and it was working.

**GOTA** · 09-16-2012, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

The people who were supposed to were watching Vick when they should have been covering Celek. It takes 1 player to spy on vick not 3 they could have had 2 LBs on Celek or been more effective by rushing him like they did early and it was working.

A spy is an assigned role. It's not decided by the players on the field. Tough to tell whose job it was from TV but it would probably be Ellerbe. That would leave Ray on the TE but he clearly wasn't there so there was some coverage plan that wasn't working and never adjusted.

**lowrider** · 09-16-2012, 06:15 PM

Philly's D made ours look like really bad. Their coverage was awsome even though the refs made them look better, and the front seven got enough pressure on flacco to make him uncomfortable for most of the game.