486 Yards of Offense

**steelerhater** · 09-17-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

After one bad game of bad play calling he has to go. No make it one half.

He called a heck of a game last week and a great 1st half. Its his first year here, give him a break after one half. Come on.

He had the wrong game plan for when we are playing with a lead yesterday as that is when the 3 man rush started. He will learn and it wont happen again.

Don't think he's capable. Any coordinator who rushes 3 guys againt Vick just isn't that smart to begin with. Can't give him a pass for this. Its not like he was in the wrong scheme, he was just being stupid.

**JMUpurkfool** · 09-17-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Don't think he's capable. Any coordinator who rushes 3 guys againt Vick just isn't that smart to begin with. Can't give him a pass for this. Its not like he was in the wrong scheme, he was just being stupid.

So what specifically would be your game plan for Vick, in terms of pass rush and coverage?

**Jsmoove** · 09-17-2012, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool

So what specifically would be your game plan for Vick, in terms of pass rush and coverage?

well we can't rush three now can we?

**redmike34** · 09-17-2012, 09:05 PM

Little bit of perspective here guys... we gave up 432 yards (including 358 passing yards) and 26 points to Tennessee last year. Considering that last year's Tennessee team is probably not as good as Philly this year, and that we lost by one point instead of 13, maybe we should collectively step back from the edge a bit...

**Ravenswintitle** · 09-17-2012, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

well we can't rush three now can we?

LOL how bout playing a deep zone and leaving the middle open...oh yeh, that wasn't good either

**The Excellector** · 09-18-2012, 08:49 AM

They tried to rush three to discourage Vick from running and force him to make decisions into coverage, which, if you watch the game, he wasn't in the mood to run anyway. It didn't work and Celek was killing them. However, they never changed up.

If they try that mess against Brady, Flacco will have to put up 40 to win.

**pslholder96** · 09-18-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

They tried to rush three to discourage Vick from running and force him to make decisions into coverage, which, if you watch the game, he wasn't in the mood to run anyway. It didn't work and Celek was killing them. However, they never changed up.

If they try that mess against Brady, Flacco will have to put up 40 to win.

FWIW, per Film Study's latest assessment while the schemes were vanilla the ravens only rushed 3 on 7 out of 34 passing plays. Brady is more stationary than Vick so I'm confident we'll see less 3 man rushes.

**callahan09** · 09-18-2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

When is the last time a Ravens defense allowed almost 500 yards of offense against them?

486 yards allowed to the Eagles is the 7th most yards the Ravens has ever given up in 275 games, including post-season games.

The 5th and 6th most came during the 2010 season under Mattison.

The top 4 all came before we ever won the Super Bowl.

**JMUpurkfool** · 09-18-2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

well we can't rush three now can we?

I'm just saying there was a very good reason for the game plan they had going in. We did hit Vick. A lot. He just got rid of the ball well. The defense in this game was definitely going to be bend but don't break and it worked well for the most part as we collected two interceptions. The series we had on the Maclin TD was pretty good but Ed Reed failed to plaster to Maclin when Vick broke the pocket.

Now... I can totally understand where you are coming from but it's all about weighing risk reward. We easily could have won this game even with giving up all those yards because we only gave up 24 points. I would have liked to see Pees put a little more pressure on the Eagles offensive line when Kelce and Dunlap went out. That's the only real issue I have.

The defense you saw last week will not be the defense you see this week.

**GOTA** · 09-18-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by callahan09

486 yards allowed to the Eagles is the 7th most yards the Ravens has ever given up in 275 games, including post-season games.

The 5th and 6th most came during the 2010 season under Mattison.

The top 4 all came before we ever won the Super Bowl.

Thanks for the research. Those are not reassuring stats. A return to Mattison era defense is not what anyone wants to see. At least in those early years there was an excuse because of a real lack of talent. That's not the case now.

**Ravens44** · 09-18-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

FWIW, per Film Study's latest assessment while the schemes were vanilla the ravens only rushed 3 on 7 out of 34 passing plays. Brady is more stationary than Vick so I'm confident we'll see less 3 man rushes.

Yes. 3 or 4 rushers 26 out of 34 pass plays, for 284 yards.
Two of their starting linemen go down, leaving only 5 available, 3rd string LT, backup center, and we don't blitz the shit out of them???
Play our corners up, bring the heat and make Vick make quick decisions.
I believe the Browns knew enough to pressure Vick.
Did Pees not know about that?

There was no adapting on either side of the ball by either coordinator.
It was the old insane notion of trying the same thing over and over that wasn't working hoping for a different result.
I literally felt ill the longer I watched this game.

**The Excellector** · 09-18-2012, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by redmike34

I don't know, guys. How can you complain about a defensive effort that netted FOUR turnovers? Sure, they gave up a lot of yards, but they also got off the field and handed the ball to the offense four times! The offense did almost nothing with the opportunities the defense handed them.

If the offense could have stayed on the field, the defense gives up a lot fewer yards. But they couldn't. Philly beat us in TOP by almost 10 minutes despite coughing up the ball four times.

This game is down to the offense failing IMO. The defense could not have done a lot more. Only giving up 24 points when you give up ~500 yards is not bad scoring defense. Look how many yards a few other offenses got today, then look at the amount of points they put up.

How many Ravens defenses do you know of that blow two different leads, in a road game where the offense actually tops 20 points?

**The Excellector** · 09-18-2012, 06:33 PM

The other frustrating part about the team not blitzing Vick more is that, it is well documented that Vick's blitz recognition is not very good. He struggles picking it up, which is why it was so effective when they ran it. .

However, at the end of the day, the need needs to stay true to what they have on defense: Press CBs, and young rushers who need press CBs.

**redmike34** · 09-18-2012, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

How many Ravens defenses do you know of that blow two different leads, in a road game where the offense actually tops 20 points?

I guess it depends on your perspective of who blew what.

The defense got a pick in the end zone, gives the ball back to the offense. Two or three plays later, Flacco is strip-sacked, and the defense can't defend the short field twice. Who blew that? To me, the offense blew it.

Third quarter, Eagles were shut down the rest of the first half, then Flacco throws a pick and the defense has to defend a short field again. Who blew that? See above for my opinion.

That accounts for the first 14 points the Iggles put on the board--they batted 100% converting our turnovers into TDs. By contrast, we got 10 points from the four times they gave us the ball.

Aside from the 14 points they scored on the occasions that the Ravens offense handed them the ball (the TD drives were 15 and 42 yards long, respectively), the rest of the Iggles' day was spent gaining 486-42-15=429 yards of total offense, out of which they only got 10 points. That's frankly an amazing feat of bend-but-don't-break defense right there, in my opinion. Sucks that it wasn't enough on the day...

Turnovers kill you in general, but they really kill you on the road. Just my opinion...

**steelerhater** · 09-18-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool

So what specifically would be your game plan for Vick, in terms of pass rush and coverage?

Well, I would certaintly send more than 3 guys after him. As another poster mentioned, they lost their starting center as well as LT. Why wouldn't you, at least, see how the replacements hold up under some pressure? I'll bet the Eagles were in disbelief when Pees took the foot off the gas with the back up center and LT in the game.

**pslholder96** · 09-18-2012, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Well, I would certaintly send more than 3 guys after him. As another poster mentioned, they lost their starting center as well as LT. Why wouldn't you, at least, see how the replacements hold up under some pressure? I'll bet the Eagles were in disbelief when Pees took the foot off the gas with the back up center and LT in the game.

Rushing 3 really wasn't the main problem since we only rush 3 on 7 out of a possible 34 passing plays. The scheme itself was vanilla though and we certainly didn't attack like we should have

**pslholder96** · 09-18-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens44

Yes. 3 or 4 rushers 26 out of 34 pass plays, for 284 yards.
Two of their starting linemen go down, leaving only 5 available, 3rd string LT, backup center, and we don't blitz the shit out of them???
Play our corners up, bring the heat and make Vick make quick decisions.
I believe the Browns knew enough to pressure Vick.
Did Pees not know about that?

There was no adapting on either side of the ball by either coordinator.
It was the old insane notion of trying the same thing over and over that wasn't working hoping for a different result.
I literally felt ill the longer I watched this game.

Yes it was frustrating to watch. It just seem like the Ravens gave Vick to much respect

**The Excellector** · 09-18-2012, 07:02 PM

They may have only done it seven times, but it seemed like the results of those plays had a huge impact on the game. The only time I think it worked was when Vick threw the pick in the first quarter.

**steelerhater** · 09-18-2012, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Rushing 3 really wasn't the main problem since we only rush 3 on 7 out of a possible 34 passing plays. The scheme itself was vanilla though and we certainly didn't attack like we should have

It was 7 too many. Its like giving Vick a break 20 percent of the time. You need to keep pressuring him and knocking him around.

**Ravenous1** · 09-18-2012, 07:36 PM

The best thing we can do is see how Pees reacts to what was a disappointing defensive effort/gameplan last week.
If he adjusts and the defense performs then will be willing to file last week under "growing pains"
If they however get torched by Brady then we need to start worrying.
Either way a lot of questions for me will be answered on Sunday night. Same goes for the Offense