What's it going to take to get Cam out of this city?

**pslholder96** · 09-17-2012, 09:02 AM

We need to be resigned to the fact that Cam is here this year. Bisciotti already put Cam on notice with his year end press conference last season. Having said that I've supported Cam from 2008-2010. 2011 my support started to waver. Two games into the season I see the same stubborness appear. At first glance I like the aggressiveness the Ravens showed in trying to pass, pass, pass but realized later that it was indeed an epic fail in those 3rd and short situations. I would have like to see the Ravens dictate the tempo but they didn't try this often at all.

**AirFlacco** · 09-17-2012, 09:47 AM

I dunno about that.

When they kept CAM last year he called Ozzie to thank him and
Oz said it was never in our minds that you were leaving.

It sure was in the fans minds.

**s.r.genovese** · 09-17-2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

I dunno about that.

When they kept CAM last year he called Ozzie to thank him and
Oz said it was never in our minds that you were leaving.

It sure was in the fans minds.

And it was in Cam's mind. He's not an idiot, he knows when his job is on the line. Smart move by Ozzie not to let him in on what he is thinking.

**Terpsfan82** · 09-17-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

So...2 games into the season and you're already declaring that this defense can't or won't be top 5?

What's the lotto going to be next week since you're in the mood to disclose the future...

Dude, I will buy you and your wife or girlfriend a steak dinner and a bottle of wine at the restaurant of your choice if this defense ranks in the top 5 at seasons end.

**RavenusMaximus** · 09-17-2012, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

The worst part about a loss is that the board becomes unreadable for a week.

I can tell because, all of the sudden, the board is flooded with "This post is hidden because ********** is on ignore."

Can't wait for you all to go back to your holes and leave the rest of us in peace.

This is the worst post I've seen in a long time.

**veritas** · 09-17-2012, 10:31 AM

Cam just can't help himself. He saw how successful the up tempo offense was in the opener but he goes back to the same crap that led to games like Jax and Seattle last year. He just insists on pounding that square peg into that round hole. With our schedule, we're going to need LOTS of points this year. We should be in the up tempo scheme every play except the kneel down at the end.

**ravensinva** · 09-17-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

We need to be resigned to the fact that Cam is here this year. Bisciotti already put Cam on notice with his year end press conference last season. Having said that I've supported Cam from 2008-2010. 2011 my support started to waver. Two games into the season I see the same stubborness appear. At first glance I like the aggressiveness the Ravens showed in trying to pass, pass, pass but realized later that it was indeed an epic fail in those 3rd and short situations. I would have like to see the Ravens dictate the tempo but they didn't try this often at all.

Wasn't Cam also on notice last season from the owner? Bottom line is Harbaugh only hires his boys and qualifications mean little too him.

**blah3** · 09-17-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by ravensinva

Wasn't Cam also on notice last season from the owner? Bottom line is Harbaugh only hires his boys and qualifications mean little too him.

OZZIE hired Cam. Apparently this needs to be repeated over and over and over again.

**blah3** · 09-17-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mista T

No one wanted to fire him last week!

There were a lot of people who said lets wait and see if the same thing that happened last year happens again. Great first week plan, some very craptastic plans in other weeks.

**s.r.genovese** · 09-17-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by ravensinva

Wasn't Cam also on notice last season from the owner? Bottom line is Harbaugh only hires his boys and qualifications mean little too him.

Also if you could find the connection between Pees and Harbaugh that makes him his "boy" that would be great. He's never coached with him and neither has his Dad.

**wickedsolo** · 09-17-2012, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

If you think this defense will be in the top 20 this year, you're out of your mind. I think everyone else realizes our days of having a good defense are over.

I don't think anything.

Pops Mattison's bland as hell defense with even less secondary talent produced a high ranked defense, so IMO I see no reason whatsoever why this defense cannot finish with a top tiered ranking. Top 5? Maybe not, but I don't think they'll finish in the bottom of the league. There are a lot of new parts on the defense right now and they're all figuring it out as they go.

I'm not crazy about the defense so far, but I will say that the defense with Pollard out was VASTLY different than when he was in there.

**wickedsolo** · 09-17-2012, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

OZZIE hired Cam. Apparently this needs to be repeated over and over and over again.

And Ozzie works for who again? Oh, right. Bisciotti. The guy who canned Billick after giving him a contract extension worth big money.

If Bisciotti comes down and tells Ozzie that this shit isn't working and to fix it, guess what? He goes to Harbs and says we need to re-evaluate the coaching staff and then Harbs can rant and rave all he wants about how great Cam is (or whoever) and Ozzie can just say "I'm sorry John, but we need to go in another direction offensively because it's been 5 years now and this still is way too inconsistent."

**wickedsolo** · 09-17-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

There were a lot of people who said lets wait and see if the same thing that happened last year happens again. Great first week plan, some very craptastic plans in other weeks.

Also true.

Week 1 is what makes the Eagles game so obnoxious. The Eagles' D is better than the Bengals' D, no doubt, but the game plan was just so damn night and day...it just doesn't make sense at all. It seriously does beg the question of who was really calling the plays.

**AirFlacco** · 09-17-2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by s.r.genovese

And it was in Cam's mind. He's not an idiot, he knows when his job is on the line. Smart move by Ozzie not to let him in on what he is thinking.

LOL - The Godfather tells his son, never let anyone know what you're thinking.

My dad always said never tell anyone your business.

That's one thing I haven't learned yet damn it. I always open my big mouth just like Sonny Corleone.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 09-17-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

And Ozzie works for who again? Oh, right. Bisciotti. The guy who canned Billick after giving him a contract extension worth big money.

If Bisciotti comes down and tells Ozzie that this shit isn't working and to fix it, guess what? He goes to Harbs and says we need to re-evaluate the coaching staff and then Harbs can rant and rave all he wants about how great Cam is (or whoever) and Ozzie can just say "I'm sorry John, but we need to go in another direction offensively because it's been 5 years now and this still is way too inconsistent."

Yup...and I'd be way less po'd if we were consistently bad. I'd have no expectation of a championship then. But THIS mess that we continually get treated to has got to stop.

Kind of hoping the offensive struggles til Halloween. We lose our 5 or 6 games before then, Cammie gets canned, we run the table, make the playoffs and whatever happens, happens

From my SGIII

**steelerhater** · 09-17-2012, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

I dunno about that.

When they kept CAM last year he called Ozzie to thank him and
Oz said it was never in our minds that you were leaving.

It sure was in the fans minds.

We should conduct a poll on the reason for keeping Cam next year. we've seen it all, rookie quarterback, loss of continuity losing two coaches, not a viable replacement available, too many people in flacco's head, etc. It's comical that some people on this board actually think that Bisciotti would ever fire Cameron, no matter how bad our offense is.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 09-17-2012, 03:59 PM

Certainly StevieB gave John a call and asked him, "so tell me why was it that my $35M man had less carries than Joe had hurries?"

From my SGIII

**s.r.genovese** · 09-17-2012, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

It's comical that some people on this board actually think that Bisciotti would ever fire Cameron, no matter how bad our offense is.

He fired Billick who he owed 15 million to yet he'll never fire Cam? Seriously?

**Gabe** · 09-17-2012, 04:39 PM

Hate to post this on a "Cam" thread, but I thouhgt the defense was playing way too soft. Seemed they were more worried about Vick scrambling than mounting a pass rush. Eagle receivers were too wide open over the middle. Do agree however that 2nd half was a mess.

**rharris1986** · 09-17-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Just missing the playoffs would be enough.

I agree!

After watching the first two games (which were basically a repeat of last year's first two game) I am resigned to the fact that the Ravens will not make the playoffs - and that the ONLY two things that will come out of 2012 will be the emergence of Justin Tucker as a premier NFL kicker and the firing of Cam Cameron.

The defense is too soft and the offense is too inconsistentt to beat many of the top tier team on our 2012 schedule. I think an over all record of 9W and 7L would be somewhat of a minor miracle.

Joe Flacco has all the potential in the world - enough to be a top 3 QB. He will never reach that potential under Cameron. I stated in earliers posts going back the last three weeks or so that the only thing that could stop the Ravens is Cam - and it looks like I'm right. Anyone with HALF A BRAIN would play Joe out of the shotgun/hurry up 60-70% of the time (especially with our O line). Back the Titanic up again Cam and have another go at that iceberg!