Suggs on Track for Return This Season (Merged)

**Paintballguy** · 10-02-2012, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I was 35 yd line on the Ravens side,10 rows back.

I saw zero limp and a ton of jumping around.

I'd love to see these reports saying otherwise.

He definitely looked fine from the tv shots of him jumping around. I see him back sooner than later.

**NOLARavenFAN** · 10-02-2012, 12:03 PM

Ozzie is very conservative as far as rushing players back, so its all good news for us.

**kronusthebonus** · 10-02-2012, 12:08 PM

You know his target has to be one of the Steeler's games. I don't think he could live with himself if he missed those games.

I say Week 13, Steelers @ Ravens

**Dirt1** · 10-02-2012, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

The week after the Houston game is a BYE week. So, it might be wise, even if he's "ready" October 21st, to wait until the Browns game on November 4th in Cleveland... Bc

This. I agree that the earliest we will see Suggs on the field is the November 4th game. The Ravens see the big picture, which means that they will need Suggs badly later in the season and in the playoffs. They are not going to rush him back and risk him re-injuring himself.

**SC_Raven_Fan** · 10-02-2012, 12:09 PM

eligibility to come off PUP, doesn't mean eligibility to play. Methinks he will not be active for several more weeks after he comes off PUP

**cealex1223** · 10-02-2012, 12:20 PM

Just feels like a VERY bad idea. Would like to be wrong about this, but his size, and the torque on that tendon makes me very uneasy about rushing him back. Another tear and I'm not sure he comes back from it.

**lobachevsky** · 10-02-2012, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Let's make a bet, if Suggs comes back to play by Pittsburgh, you can't post again until 2103. If he doesn't play by Pittsburgh time, I won't post until 2013.

Fixed that for ya, Cap'n.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

My wife works in the field and has a background familiar with those injuries. Given the time, technology, and Suggs supreme level of athleticism, she believes that Suggs will be ready for Pittsburgh.

Do all the research you like, I know what I have read and she has said and I think Suggs is on schedule to play this year.

Let's make a bet, if Suggs comes back to play by Pittsburgh, you can't post again until 2013. If he doesn't play by Pittsburgh time, I won't post until 2013.

No athlete, with all their "supreme athleticism and technology" has EVER come back in less than 8 months.

The last time this nonsense came up I challenged anyone to prove otherwise, using all documented history on the internet ( I found about 10 very recent NFL Football cases alone, not to mention all the other sports which puts it in the hundreds I am guessing)...and no one could.

November 18 would be 6.5 months, it aint happening.

An achilles is worse than an ACL, especially for a pass rusher, and people think Adrian Peterson is a God because he came back in 7 months from that injury.

I will gladly take the bet, as long as we qualify him playing more than say 15 snaps, which would pretty much be pass rushing situations only. If he plays less than that and can't hold up to finish the game that does not count.

Enjoy posting while you can.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I bought up how a long jumper returned and won gold at the Olympics in the space of like 4 months after the EXACT same injury as Suggs, a "partial tear". I'm buying what Harbaugh and Suggs are saying. I'm not saying he'll be back for Houston, but I'm saying a return at around the Steelers game is realistic and looking more likely every week.

And I showed you with a link to the story that that long jumper never had surgery, and how they let it heal on it's own. Apples and oranges, not the same injury. It is all about whether they have to repair with surgery, or not. His was such a minor tear it was allowed to heal by itself with no cutting on him. Go back and look if you don't believe me, you must have missed that post.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I was 35 yd line on the Ravens side,10 rows back.

I saw zero limp and a ton of jumping around.

I'd love to see these reports saying otherwise.

Here you go, I don't just make shit up.

Samuel Njoku ‏@Ravens_Examiner

Saw Suggs a few minutes ago. Still walking with a noticeable limp. #ravens
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**arnie_uk** · 10-02-2012, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

No athlete, with all their "supreme athleticism and technology" has EVER come back in less than 8 months.

The last time this nonsense came up I challenged anyone to prove otherwise, using all documented history on the internet ( I found about 10 very recent NFL Football cases alone, not to mention all the other sports which puts it in the hundreds I am guessing)...and no one could.

November 18 would be 6.5 months, it aint happening.

An achilles is worse than an ACL, especially for a pass rusher, and people think Adrian Peterson is a God because he came back in 7 months from that injury.

I will gladly take the bet, as long as we qualify him playing more than say 15 snaps, which would pretty much be pass rushing situations only. If he plays less than that and can't hold up to finish the game that does not count.

Enjoy posting while you can.

Totally utterly incorrect, garbage this post is. I've told you before it's been done a lot quicker, you obviously just ignore other people when they prove you wrong. You said the same thing earlier in the summer. You don't know everything, contrary to what you believe.

Alastair Brownlee, the British triathlete that won gold in this summers Olympics, tore his Achilles' tendon fully in march and came back in 3 months to be the best triathlete in the world, bar none.

3 months from a full tear, to be the best in his field.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

Totally utterly incorrect, garbage this post is. I've told you before it's been done a lot quicker, you obviously just ignore other people when they prove you wrong. You said the same thing earlier in the summer. You don't know everything, contrary to what you believe.

Brownlee, the British triathlete that won gold in this summers Olympics, tore his Achilles' tendon fully in march and came back in 3 months to be the best triathlete in the world, bar none.

3 months from a full tear, to be the best in his field.

He DID NOT HAVE SURGERY. The tear was MICROSCOPIC and they let it heal on it's own.

Go back and look at that thread I LINKED TO THE ARTICLE.

YOU are the only who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about, so go ahead and look back at that thread and click on the link to his story. Then you can apologize for being so mis informed and wrong.

Oh and anyone who wants to put their money where their big mouths are, step on up. Name your price.

I am trying to get other stuff done I don't have any more time to waste on this garbage, this is about the 5th Suggs thread I have said this in.

**Paintballguy** · 10-02-2012, 01:16 PM

''Terrell had a successful surgical procedure done on his Achilles tendon this afternoon by Dr. Bob Anderson,'' general manager Ozzie Newsome said in a statement.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ravens-...3225--nfl.html

**Corey** · 10-02-2012, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

This article is just more of the same, Suggs claiming he will defy all logic and make a miraculous comeback in a time no athlete has ever done before. Yeah I am sure HE has a (completely unrealistic, wildly optomistic, I am Supreman) date to return. It means nothing.

He isn't coming back week 7...or week 9.....or week 11. Watch.

Late Dec is 8 months from surgery, the fastest any athlete has ever come back from an achilles surgery. EVER. In the history of the world.

You are setting yourself up for a huge disappointment fans.

He is still walking with a noticable limp, per reporters at the Browns game Thurs.

Rod Woodson shredded his knee week 1 in 1996? and returned later that season to play in the Superbowl. Before he did that coming back from ACL surgery in a mere 5 months was nearly unheard of. I am just saying, miracles do happen.

**Jsmoove** · 10-02-2012, 01:27 PM

I really don't see Suggs coming back til late way late. If he does come back by the houston game ill fall over.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

Rod Woodson shredded his knee week 1 in 1996? and returned later that season to play in the Superbowl. Before he did that coming back from ACL surgery in a mere 5 months was nearly unheard of. I am just saying, miracles do happen.

No miracle has ever happened with an achilles injury, not to a high level athlete. Ever. It is a devastating injury, much worse than ACL. BEST recovery time I found was 8 months (to be back on field playing), usually it is an 8-10 month injury. ACL is like 5-7 months these days.

You see how no one can provide one example? That is because these "miracles" do not exist with this injury. I am sorry, I spent almost an entire day LAST TIME we went over this and KNOW what I am talking about. That is how I KNOW, because I actually spent the time to research it unlike every other person who claims otherwise.

I put up or shut up, but apparently no one else wants to do the same.

**Dirt1** · 10-02-2012, 01:36 PM

I found this article online. I apologize if it has already been posted. It doesn't sound encouraging.

Of the 31 players who sustained an Achilles tendon rupture, 21 (64%) returned to play in the NFL at an average of 11 months after injury. In the three seasons following their return, those 21 players saw significant decreases in games played and power ratings compared to the three seasons preceding the injury.

The percentage of players returning to play at the NFL level is consistent with a meta-analysis performed by Bhandari4 in 2002. The authors reported return to function rates of 63% for patients treated nonoperatively and 71% for those treated operatively. If we assume that all the NFL players were treated operatively, as would be the standard for young athletes, the return to play rate of 64% is slightly lower than the 71% reported in the meta-analysis. This difference could be attributed to the excessive demands placed on the operatively repaired Achilles tendon in NFL players combined with a body size, strength, and explosiveness that would further increase these demands.

The length of time to allow full activity after Achilles tendon repair is generally thought to be four to six months.4-6 The 11 months needed to return to play as a professional football player seems considerably longer. However, there is a major difference between allowing full activity and returning to play in the NFL. Even when the typical patient is allowed to participate in full activity, it does not mean that he or she is adequately rehabilitated to perform at maximal efforts. Studies to determine maximal improvement after surgical treatment are lacking in the orthopedic literature.

http://lowerextremityreview.com/arti...tendon-rupture

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

I found this article online. I apologize if it has already been posted. It doesn't sound encouraging.

Wow how in the hell do you find that?? Great find and some more FACTS that people want to ignore. It is even worse than I estimated, much worse matter of fact.

Any questions people? Go ahead and run your traps now. Tell me how little I know again.

And Suggs is gonna play in 6.5 months?? LOL.

**Captain Silver** · 10-02-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

No athlete, with all their "supreme athleticism and technology" has EVER come back in less than 8 months.

The last time this nonsense came up I challenged anyone to prove otherwise, using all documented history on the internet ( I found about 10 very recent NFL Football cases alone, not to mention all the other sports which puts it in the hundreds I am guessing)...and no one could.

November 18 would be 6.5 months, it aint happening.

An achilles is worse than an ACL, especially for a pass rusher, and people think Adrian Peterson is a God because he came back in 7 months from that injury.

I will gladly take the bet, as long as we qualify him playing more than say 15 snaps, which would pretty much be pass rushing situations only. If he plays less than that and can't hold up to finish the game that does not count.

Enjoy posting while you can.

No, straight up, Suggs could get knocked out on another injury or the staff might hold him back. Put up or shut up.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

No, straight up, Suggs could get knocked out on another injury or the staff might hold him back. Put up or shut up.

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LOL now you are trying to back out. What is Suggs worth playing less than 25% of the defensive snaps? There is zero chance you can win if he goes in for 2 plays and comes out immediately. It won't be some "other" injury. 15 snaps is a more than fair number.

I insta called the second you shoved your chips in the middle.

I bet that last post Dirt made got you a little bit scared no?

Let's put some money on it as well if you want to play games. How about that? Name your price.