Suggs on Track for Return This Season (Merged)

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

Dude...I think you're going to have to take your lumps with this one. See the post immediately above yours, and then the references to Beckham and the hockey player.

Who knows, you may be right that Suggs doesn't come back before the play-offs...but to reject the notion as a medical impossibility seems to be erroneous.

Keep in mind that doctors are covering their asses when they give recovery time estimates for athletes. I wouldn't want to encourage a player to come back faster than is widely accepted...even if he feels like he is healthy enough to play. The last thing I'd want to do is say, "yeah, if you fel like you're good to go, then go," only to have the player re-injure himself and turn around and say, but you told me it was OK to go back.

That doesn't mean that all people are subject to the same timetable for recovery. If he's already running and jumping and stretching, then the doctor likely approved the accelerated timetable. Personally, I think we'll see him Nov. 4 @ Cleveland as a situational pass rusher. He'll be fully starting by the first Pitt game. Those are my opinions and I acknowledge that they are based on nothing other than my gut feeling which means about as much as all the other conjecture in this thread.

For you and everyone else too lazy to read the entire thread...

Of the 31 players who sustained an Achilles tendon rupture, 21 (64%) returned to play in the NFL at an average of 11 months after injury. In the three seasons following their return, those 21 players saw significant decreases in games played and power ratings compared to the three seasons preceding the injury.

The percentage of players returning to play at the NFL level is consistent with a meta-analysis performed by Bhandari4 in 2002. The authors reported return to function rates of 63% for patients treated nonoperatively and 71% for those treated operatively. If we assume that all the NFL players were treated operatively, as would be the standard for young athletes, the return to play rate of 64% is slightly lower than the 71% reported in the meta-analysis. This difference could be attributed to the excessive demands placed on the operatively repaired Achilles tendon in NFL players combined with a body size, strength, and explosiveness that would further increase these demands.

The length of time to allow full activity after Achilles tendon repair is generally thought to be four to six months.4-6 The 11 months needed to return to play as a professional football player seems considerably longer. However, there is a major difference between allowing full activity and returning to play in the NFL. Even when the typical patient is allowed to participate in full activity, it does not mean that he or she is adequately rehabilitated to perform at maximal efforts. Studies to determine maximal improvement after surgical treatment are lacking in the orthopedic literature.

http://lowerextremityreview.com/arti...tendon-rupture

6.5 months would be a minor miracle, especially with a pass rusher who has to push off on that leg to create pressure. How many soccer or hockey players need to drive through a 350lb tackle?

**goodandfast** · 10-02-2012, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

You just never know with injuries. For example, my sister-in-law stubbed her toe in 2004, and hasn't worked since... Bc

lol

**NOLARavenFAN** · 10-02-2012, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

For you and everyone else too lazy to read the entire thread...

6.5 months would be a minor miracle, especially with a pass rusher who has to push off on that leg to create pressure. How many soccer or hockey players need to drive through a 350lb tackle?

Whatever.....you would never be on the Ravens. Obviously you are not Harbaugh's type of guy, or even Joe's really......its all about your opinion and being right, when we are here for something else.

**goodandfast** · 10-02-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

For you and everyone else too lazy to read the entire thread...

6.5 months would be a minor miracle, especially with a pass rusher who has to push off on that leg to create pressure. How many soccer or hockey players need to drive through a 350lb tackle?

Reading comprehension test. In the context of the paragraph you quoted, what does the following line mean?

"Studies to determine maximal improvement after surgical treatment are lacking in the orthopedic literature."

Answer? There has not been enough study done to suggest a firm timetable for a return to "maximal effort."

Effect on your point? There is no accepted timetable for a return to maximal effort, thus, Suggs could very well hit that six month point and he capable of "maximal effort."

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-02-2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN

Whatever.....you would never be on the Ravens. Obviously you are not Harbaugh's type of guy, or even Joe's really......its all about your opinion and being right, when we are here for something else.

When you have the balls to stand up to 40 different people firing shots at you all day long come talk to me.

I stand by what I have read, and I have the facts to back it up in a shitload of cases. Links posted. Statistics for FOOTBALL players. They have Wally Williams, and a hope and a prayer.

$50 booked people, easy money come and get it. Why the hesitation?

All talk.

**wickedsolo** · 10-02-2012, 07:40 PM

Moving the goal posts I see? First it was professional athlete...now it is a football player...got it.

I'm just curious, but do you ever actually look at the stuff you post on here?

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**goodandfast** · 10-02-2012, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Moving the goal posts I see? First it was professional athlete...now it is a football player...got it.

I'm just curious, but do you ever actually look at the stuff you post on here?

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Mods, can we get a shut down and a reboot on this thread? It's worth talking about but this has gotten a little out of hand and it's only spiraling further down the drain.

**Ravens27Girl** · 10-02-2012, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Bhcforlife

I will say is that I have been at all three games too and Suggs was not limping whatsoever at any of them. There is a clear difference in being able to walk without a limp and being able to play in an NFL game, but this guy who I've never heard of claiming he was limping is 100% incorrect.

My hubby worked the security detail for the Haloti Ngata fundraiser event last night. He had the pleasure of escorting each Ravens player from their vehicle to the VIP room as they arrived. One of them was Suggs and he said you would never know Suggs was ever injured by the way he walks. On the way in, some fans were screaming "Suggs, when are you coming back, we need you" and Suggs stated "Soon...very,very soon". So he does not walk with a limp at all and he assured the fans he WAS coming back very soon... straight from the horse's mouth.

**leachisabeast** · 10-03-2012, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens27Girl

My hubby worked the security detail for the Haloti Ngata fundraiser event last night. He had the pleasure of escorting each Ravens player from their vehicle to the VIP room as they arrived. One of them was Suggs and he said you would never know Suggs was ever injured by the way he walks. On the way in, some fans were screaming "Suggs, when are you coming back, we need you" and Suggs stated "Soon...very,very soon". So he does not walk with a limp at all and he assured the fans he WAS coming back very soon... straight from the horse's mouth.

Thanks for that info! Great news.

**Ravenalytics** · 10-03-2012, 05:34 AM

Even if Suggs isn't physically 100%, the football instincts and knowledge he'll bring will be a huge asset for at least being able to contain plays, I think.

**arnie_uk** · 10-03-2012, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

He DID NOT HAVE SURGERY. The tear was MICROSCOPIC and they let it heal on it's own.

Go back and look at that thread I LINKED TO THE ARTICLE.

YOU are the only who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about, so go ahead and look back at that thread and click on the link to his story. Then you can apologize for being so mis informed and wrong.

Oh and anyone who wants to put their money where their big mouths are, step on up. Name your price.

I am trying to get other stuff done I don't have any more time to waste on this garbage, this is about the 5th Suggs thread I have said this in.

You said no one can come back in less than 8 months. I proved someone has.

You said no one has, I proved you wrong, while he may not have had surgery, he still had a tear and came back n three months, which to me is less than 8.

This argument is possibly stopped now there's about 6 pages but I thought I'd reply anyway.

**arnie_uk** · 10-03-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

I won't be losing, and I will be more than happy to post a screenshot of a paypal transfer or whatever. I'm not hard to find, and am a man of my word. A few people on here know me/have been to games with me.

So we have a deal, $50 San Diego game, one snap.

I hope to God I pay you that $50 and lose, because we will have all witnessed a miracle and the Ravens will have a better shot of winning it all. I would LOVE to be wrong if it means the Ravens have better chance of winning.

Capn Silver, you want $50 I will give you one snap vs Pitt being that it is a week earlier. So you win, no reason to back out now.

Anyone else wants it (1st Pitt game) step on up.

And I am still waiting for ONE example of an athlete who has come back from achilles surgery in less thasn 8 months. ArnieUK has tucked tail and ran because he knows after checking the other thread that I am right about that statement, because it is factually accurate and I linked him to the story that backs up my "garbage" assertion as he called it.

No running away here. I know I'm right and your wrong. You said no one has came back, I proved you wrong. I haven't checked that other article, and I never read this article at the time but I'm sure it says brownlee tore his Achilles and came back in three months... Which again to me is less than 8 months which you claimed no one has came back from.

I've since seen your arguing from surgery after reading through the thread, but that's not what you said at the start. So yes he didn't have surgery I knew that, but from what I could see you we're just talking about a tear, you didn't mention the recovery method.

**pslholder96** · 10-03-2012, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

No running away here. I know I'm right and your wrong. You said no one has came back, I proved you wrong. I haven't checked that other article, and I never read this article at the time but I'm sure it says brownlee tore his Achilles and came back in three months... Which again to me is less than 8 months which you claimed no one has came back from.

I've since seen your arguing from surgery after reading through the thread, but that's not what you said at the start. So yes he didn't have surgery I knew that, but from what I could see you we're just talking about a tear, you didn't mention the recovery method.

JFS is making himself look silly. He was so adamant and now he's altering his original position...smh

**Rochardrik** · 10-03-2012, 09:03 AM

WOW!

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

Wow how in the hell do you find that?? Great find and some more FACTS that people want to ignore. It is even worse than I estimated, much worse matter of fact.

Any questions people? Go ahead and run your traps now. Tell me how little I know again.

And Suggs is gonna play in 6.5 months?? LOL.

Are you REALLY taking this much delight in trying to prove your hypothesis of a bad scenario for our NFL football team?

**Jsmoove** · 10-03-2012, 09:18 AM

Damn..smoove walks in..observes the beat down on thejoeflaccoshow...smoove turns around...walks back out.

**saintmatthew** · 10-03-2012, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

Mods, can we get a shut down and a reboot on this thread? It's worth talking about but this has gotten a little out of hand and it's only spiraling further down the drain.

Yeah, it's gotten uglier than a Gebco commercial.

**pslholder96** · 10-03-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by saintmatthew

Yeah, it's gotten uglier than a Gebco commercial.

Oh don't worry. He's ready to get his ugly on in another Joe Flacco versus Matt Ryan thread he started last night

**DonNMass** · 10-03-2012, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Oh don't worry. He's ready to get his ugly on in another Joe Flacco versus Matt Ryan thread he started last night

It's coming back to me why I left Sunspot.

**pslholder96** · 10-03-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by DonNMass

It's coming back to me why I left Sunspot.

So he is from the sunspot. I knew he was a familiar name

**Dirt1** · 10-03-2012, 01:09 PM

I would love to see Suggs be able to come back sooner rather than later, but the main thing is that he should be back and in good playing shape by late December at the latest. The Ravens are probably going to get into the playoffs, and might even win the AFC North even without Suggs. The Ravens are going to really need him against some of the better OL in the playoffs though. I am sure that Suggs wants to try and come back Week 7, but the Ravens will most likely be very cautious with him. The Ravens are pretty good about not rushing players back from injury too soon.