Thursday Injury Report Status: Ravens @ Texans

**TL24x7** · 10-18-2012, 03:16 PM

RAVENS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE: T Ramon Harewood (head); LIMITED PARTICIPATION: DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu (knee); T Bryant McKinnie (thigh);DT Haloti Ngata (knee); CB Jimmy Smith (abs)

TEXANS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE: CB Johnathan Joseph (groin); LIMITED PARTICIPATION: NT Shaun Cody (back); S Quintin Demps (thumb/forearm); DE David Hunter (toe);OLB Jesse Nading (foot/neck); RB Ben Tate (toe); FULL PARTICIPATION: OLB Bryan Braman (knee); G Antoine Caldwell (concussion); ILB Bradie James (calf); WR Lestar Jean (knee); C Ben Jones (knee); S Shiloh Keo; (neck/back/thumb); C Chris Myers (hip); G Wade Smith (knee)

No Ed Reed

**Ravens44** · 10-18-2012, 03:31 PM

Am I missing something??? Shouldn't Suggs be listed, like limited participation or something, too? Just saying...

**NCRAVEN** · 10-18-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens44

Am I missing something??? Shouldn't Suggs be listed, like limited participation or something, too? Just saying...

Thinking the same thing.

**YorkRavensFan** · 10-18-2012, 03:57 PM

Unless he wasn't limited....

**leachisabeast** · 10-18-2012, 04:26 PM

Still think Haloti is going to suit up.

**lobachevsky** · 10-18-2012, 04:27 PM

Suggs didn't appear on the injury report because he is not (yet) on the 53-man roster,

I think the problem here is with terminology. Suggs was not "activated off the PUP list" as one article I saw stated. Horrifically bad choice of words by someone who probably doesn't fully understand the situation himself. (He's still on the PUP list at the team website, but that may only be because there's no other category he fits at the moment.)

Right now Sizzle is in this 3-week window/limbo during which he can practice with the team & can be (but does not have to be) added to the 53-man roster. At the end of those 3 weeks they must add him to the 53-man or he returns to the PUP list for the rest of the year (effectively going on IR).

**LukeDaniel** · 10-18-2012, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Suggs didn't appear on the injury report because he is not (yet) on the 53-man roster,

I think the problem here is with terminology. Suggs was not "activated off the PUP list" as one article I saw stated. Horrifically bad choice of words by someone who probably doesn't fully understand the situation himself. (He's still on the PUP list at the team website, but that may only be because there's no other category he fits at the moment.)

Right now Sizzle is in this 3-week window/limbo during which he can practice with the team & can be (but does not have to be) added to the 53-man roster. At the end of those 3 weeks they must add him to the 53-man or he returns to the PUP list for the rest of the year (effectively going on IR).

What sense does that make though? Why only have 52 players when you can have 53? Since Sunday, the Ravens IRed two players (one on reversable) and only activated one player to their roster.

**landspeed** · 10-18-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by LukeDaniel

What sense does that make though? Why only have 52 players when you can have 53? Since Sunday, the Ravens IRed two players (one on reversable) and only activated one player to their roster.

Maybe keeping the texans on their toes?

Who knows, they could activate Adrian Hamilton or Nigel Carr(highly doubt it though) at the last minute, depending on the suggs outcome.

**lobachevsky** · 10-18-2012, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by LukeDaniel

What sense does that make though? Why only have 52 players when you can have 53? Since Sunday, the Ravens IRed two players (one on reversable) and only activated one player to their roster.

I have a better question: What the hell gave you the impression that I thought it made sense? All I did was offer a possible explanation as to why #55 didn't appear in Tony's injury report even though other accounts had him limited to tossing a football around.

As for having "only 52 players," keep in mind they can only dress 45. Probably they've already decided on the gameday actives. Who knows, they might figure that it's a better use of the slot keeping the Texans guessing about whether they'll put Suggs on the roster & activate him just before kickoff.

**leachisabeast** · 10-18-2012, 06:59 PM

Are you sure Suggs isn't on the active roster right now? Because at least there is at least a little speculation that he can play on Sunday, so surely he is on the roster, and if that's the case it still doesn't explain Suggs not being on the injury list.

**Mr OC** · 10-18-2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Are you sure Suggs isn't on the active roster right now? Because at least there is at least a little speculation that he can play on Sunday, so surely he is on the roster, and if that's the case it still doesn't explain Suggs not being on the injury list.

If I understand it correctly, he is not active, but will have to be so by Saturday in order to be eligible to play on Sunday.

**redmike34** · 10-18-2012, 07:12 PM

I thought they brought Rainey and Bynes up from PS, to take slots vacated by Lewis and Webb? Entirely possible I misread...

**StingerNLG** · 10-18-2012, 08:23 PM

If he isn't active, is he allowed on the field in his full pads and uniform?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=9--jykLG3-c

**goodandfast** · 10-18-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

If he isn't active, is he allowed on the field in his full pads and uniform?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=9--jykLG3-c

I think it has to do with the PUP designation. After 6 weeks, he can return to practice and the team has 3 weeks to activate him. At least that's the way I think it works, but Ravor knows the rule better...

**lobachevsky** · 10-18-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

If he isn't active, is he allowed on the field in his full pads and uniform?

I believe he is. THis is from the Wikipedia article:

A player ... on the regular-season PUP list ... must sit out the first six games their team plays. At that point, teams have a three-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional three-week window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.

IOW the second 3-week window opened today.

The problem is terminology--the player starts participating in practices as if he were "activated," but in fact he never really "comes off" the PUP list unless he is placed on ("activated to") the 53-man roster (if no action is taken to do so he remains on the PUP list for the rest of the season). There isn't really a good turn of phrase for Suggs' status at the moment. "Practicing limbo" is the best I can come up with.

**LukeDaniel** · 10-19-2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

I have a better question: What the hell gave you the impression that I thought it made sense? All I did was offer a possible explanation as to why #55 didn't appear in Tony's injury report even though other accounts had him limited to tossing a football around.

As for having "only 52 players," keep in mind they can only dress 45. Probably they've already decided on the gameday actives. Who knows, they might figure that it's a better use of the slot keeping the Texans guessing about whether they'll put Suggs on the roster & activate him just before kickoff.

Touche. The whole handling of these two free roster spots this year has been confusing to say the least.

Also, FWIW, you can dress 46 for gameday now. They changed it from 8 inactives to 7 inactives.

**lobachevsky** · 10-19-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by LukeDaniel

Also, FWIW, you can dress 46 for gameday now. They changed it from 8 inactives to 7 inactives.

OK, 46.

Reminds me of the old joke about the famous sex researcher on a speaking tour. One night he was lecturing in a small town & began as usual with

There are 46 positions in which a man & woman can have sexual intercourse--

when a voice from the back of the hall shouted out,

47!

The speaker cleared his voice:

As I said, there are 46 positions in which a man & woman can have sexual intercourse--

The voice in the back:

47!

The researcher went on:

The best known is the missionary position, in which the woman lies on her back & the man lies on top facing her.

Voice in the back:

48!