Dean Pees goes off...........

[pslholder96]

Anyone who says coaches don't care they got another thing coming. Pees goes off on a little rant. I like the fire.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-cut-the-crap/

[StingerNLG]

I'll tell you what I like. The players are blaming themselves. The coaches are blaming THEMselves. This isn't the players throwing the coaches under the bus and vice versa.

Everyone has the right attitude here. That's a good thing.

[kronusthebonus]

Everyone seems to be very pissed off, lets hope it shows up on the field...

[highwater]

I'll tell you what I like. The players are blaming themselves. The coaches are blaming THEMselves. This isn't the players throwing the coaches under the bus and vice versa.

I totally agree. They all seem to be taking responsibility for their own work, instead of pointing fingers at someone else. That's exactly what they should be doing.

[pslholder96]

I'll tell you what I like. The players are blaming themselves. The coaches are blaming THEMselves. This isn't the players throwing the coaches under the bus and vice versa.

Everyone has the right attitude here. That's a good thing.

Absolutely right. Harbaugh has done a good job of preaching team and getting everyone on the same page. He's been all about that since Day 1.

[The Excellector]

The players have acknowledged it. The coaches have acknowledged it. Yet, I have to sit here and listen to posters go on with their petty statistics about how it's not as bad as it looks?

Pees was right "Cut the Crap"!

[lobachevsky]

The players have acknowledged it. The coaches have acknowledged it. Yet, I have to sit here and listen to posters go on with their petty statistics about how it's not as bad as it looks?

Pees was right "Cut the Crap"!

FTR, in a long career as a statistician I usually found that people who denigrate statistics either don't like what they have to say, don't understand what they have to say, or can't count past ten without taking off shoes. Just saying.

While it may have been every bit as bad as it looked, in fact it may not be as bad as it looks, because a lot of it may be fixable. The reason the coaches & players are pissed off is precisely because they believe it's fixable--if they were just getting steamrollered by superior talent they'd be more surly than angry. And as everyone admits, the fixing starts with better concentration & technique when tackling. Do they get that done? Does it make a difference? Tune in Sunday.

[steelerhater]

FTR, in a long career as a statistician I usually found that people who denigrate statistics either don't like what they have to say, don't understand what they have to say, or can't count past ten without taking off shoes. Just saying.

While it may have been every bit as bad as it looked, in fact it may not be as bad as it looks, because a lot of it may be fixable. The reason the coaches & players are pissed off is precisely because they believe it's fixable--if they were just getting steamrollered by superior talent they'd be more surly than angry. And as everyone admits, the fixing starts with better concentration & technique when tackling. Do they get that done? Does it make a difference? Tune in Sunday.

"Lies, Damn lies, and Statistics" One can usually find some kind of statistic to support any argument.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Data will tell you anything if you torture them long enough.

[Ravenswintitle]

Coachspeak

[lobachevsky]

"Lies, Damn lies, and Statistics"

I prefer a version of that quote from an economics paper published in 1892:

An old jest runs to the effect that there are three degrees of comparison among liars. There are liars, there are outrageous liars, and there are scientific experts. This has lately been adapted to throw dirt upon statistics.

It's a quote much beloved of those who aren't interested in what statistical analysis has to tell them about the world because they're afraid it'll contradict what they "know" (or want to believe) is true.

One can usually find some kind of statistic to support any argument.

<rant>Inferential statistics is an inexact science. When we say that the result of some experiment is statistically significant with 95% confidence, there is always that 5% chance that it's due to a random fluctuation--even presuming we haven't missed some important factor that completely changes the situation. Repeat a test often enough & you will almost surely find one that yields a result that's statistically significant in whatever way you want, even if there is nothing in fact going on underneath it.

Statisticians are exquisitely sensitive to these facts; we do everything in our power to minimize the random errors and maximize the power of our tests to detect effects that are not only statistically significant but meaningful; we describe our results very carefully; and we are very mindful that our customers understand the limits of what can be discovered with the tools & data we have.

We get very angry when someone "cherry-picks" our work to make claims that aren't supported by the analysis. We get even angrier when a customer tells us from the outset that our analysis is expected to support certain preconceived notions.

Fortunately, most intelligent managers don'[t misuse us in that way. They use statistical analysts to sift through masses of data & discover what is in fact going on underneath it all, so that they can make good decisions. </rant>

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I parse Ravens defensive statistics looking for general trends in order to conjecture what might be causing them, in order to understand where & how they need to improve. I have no preconceived notions as to who or what is at fault that I would be looking to justify by the numbers. OK?

[Shellda55]

All I know is I wish I was in the locker room to hear to rays pregame speech to the team.... It's gonna be epic!

But on topic... These coming weeks will show what coach DP is made of when and how well he can disguise different packages. These moments are what make NFL coaches great.

[lobachevsky]

It's more than "disguising different packages"--it's also understanding each player's strengths & weaknesses & designing schemes that play to their strengths & minimize their weaknesses.

(Earl Weaver famously noted that he did his best not to ask any of his players to do things he knew they weren't capable of--& one way that paid off was that when he wrote out the starting lineup or pinch-hit this player or called in that relief pitcher, the player took confidence from knowing that Earl put him in that position because he was confident he could do the job.)

[Shellda55]

It's more than "disguising different packages"--it's also understanding each player's strengths & weaknesses & designing schemes that play to their strengths & minimize their weaknesses.

(Earl Weaver famously noted that he did his best not to ask any of his players to do things he knew they weren't capable of--& one way that paid off was that when he wrote out the starting lineup or pinch-hit this player or called in that relief pitcher, the player took confidence from knowing that Earl put him in that position because he was confident he could do the job.)

I couldn't agree more... Knowing your players strengths and weaknesses is key.

[PainServer52]

I agree cut the crap......This Pees of crap D coordinator

[GOTA]

I'll tell you what I like. The players are blaming themselves. The coaches are blaming THEMselves. This isn't the players throwing the coaches under the bus and vice versa.

Everyone has the right attitude here. That's a good thing.

It's a very good thing. They all know that it has to get better and are mad about it.

When you've sucked against the run going against on the top rushing attacks in the Texans is a great way to make a statement. Shut the Texans run game down and everyone will notice.

[Paintballguy]

I agree cut the crap......This Pees of crap D coordinator

Yes because Pees is out on the field getting blocked and missing tackles. No scheme in the world is going to fix that.

These guys on defense just need to man up and fix it. I have faith they will get it done in Texas. Also, I believe this defense will be better without Ray on the field. I'm sorry but he's just too old and slow.

[Ravens27Girl]

I prefer a version of that quote from an economics paper published in 1892:It's a quote much beloved of those who aren't interested in what statistical analysis has to tell them about the world because they're afraid it'll contradict what they "know" (or want to believe) is true.<rant>Inferential statistics is an inexact science. When we say that the result of some experiment is statistically significant with 95% confidence, there is always that 5% chance that it's due to a random fluctuation--even presuming we haven't missed some important factor that completely changes the situation. Repeat a test often enough & you will almost surely find one that yields a result that's statistically significant in whatever way you want, even if there is nothing in fact going on underneath it.

Statisticians are exquisitely sensitive to these facts; we do everything in our power to minimize the random errors and maximize the power of our tests to detect effects that are not only statistically significant but meaningful; we describe our results very carefully; and we are very mindful that our customers understand the limits of what can be discovered with the tools & data we have.

We get very angry when someone "cherry-picks" our work to make claims that aren't supported by the analysis. We get even angrier when a customer tells us from the outset that our analysis is expected to support certain preconceived notions.

Fortunately, most intelligent managers don'[t misuse us in that way. They use statistical analysts to sift through masses of data & discover what is in fact going on underneath it all, so that they can make good decisions. </rant>

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I parse Ravens defensive statistics looking for general trends in order to conjecture what might be causing them, in order to understand where & how they need to improve. I have no preconceived notions as to who or what is at fault that I would be looking to justify by the numbers. OK?

No offense but

Maybe I shouldn't have tried to read this before morning coffee.

[HoustonRaven]

I'll tell you what I like. The players are blaming themselves. The coaches are blaming THEMselves. This isn't the players throwing the coaches under the bus and vice versa.

Everyone has the right attitude here. That's a good thing.

Agreed.

This is exactly the thing you want to see. Now, the second half of this equation, is actually executing -- both player execution and coaches doing their thing.

[Mr OC]

This statistical stuff is interesting to me. Which is better; Steelers' defense (5th overall, 17th in scoring), or Ravens' defense (26th overall, 11th in scoring)?