Mcnair couldn't win in the rain and Flacco can't win on the road...

**Terpsfan82** · 10-21-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

QBs always get credit for team wins.

Is that really fair though? I've always attributed the Ravens success over the past 4 seasons as a TEAM effort, not the result of one player, despite the attempts of many on this board to believe the opposite. Defense travels well, and Flacco has benefitted from a top 5 defense since he took over the reins in 2008. I don't think his play is all that much different from years past; it's just that the defense has slipped, resulting in losses, which causes his play to get scrutinized all the more.

**RavingMad** · 10-21-2012, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

I wasn't just Joe though. The defense was shit outsider of Suggs. The o-line was a nightmare. Cam was Cam. Joe was a major reason why they didn't win but there were a lot of others.

True.

O line currently structured is terrible.
Interior D line is terrible.
Jimmy Smith is really a FS. He has stiff hips and struggles in man coverage.
Linebackers are below average as a unit. Poor tackling and poor in coverage.

**RavingMad** · 10-21-2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

Our coaches failed in an Epic way today, they never make the adjustments to make this team succeed, i wish Harbaugh would rip Cam and Piss Pees a new one and stop watching his assistant piss away games, special teams gave us good field position all day and killa cam did his best to give it away.

Hard to gauge the coaching staff with the lack of talent in the trenches.

**RavingMad** · 10-21-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Flacco has 4 wins on the road in the playoffs against quality teams. He can win against quality teams on the road. He has just been bad this year for some reason.

The rub is that he has been BAD in some of those wins.

**lobachevsky** · 10-21-2012, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

Don't get me wrong, that safety was all on Joe.

WHAT?!?!?

Baldwin fired off the blind side completely untouched when Oher went inside to help Williams out. Flacco didn't even have time to set his feet, but yeah, it was completely on Joe.

WHAT THE FUCK GAME WERE YOU WATCHING???

**steelerhater** · 10-21-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

Our coaches failed in an Epic way today, they never make the adjustments to make this team succeed, i wish Harbaugh would rip Cam and Piss Pees a new one and stop watching his assistant piss away games, special teams gave us good field position all day and killa cam did his best to give it away.

When have you known our coaching staff to make good adjustments?

**darb72** · 10-21-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury

....against quality teams. That is all. I'm not a troll. I'm not on or off the bandwagon. But Jpe Flacco is in his 5th year and he is what he is.... a very good QB at times, who struggles to win on the road against good teams. The Ravens will struggle to win it all with Flacco. Just my .02.

So you have no idea what you're talking about?

http://www.ravenspr.com/player_bios/joe_flacco.pdf

Among all NFL quarterbacks since 2008, Flacco has produced
22 total road wins (including playoffs), second to only Eli
Manning (23)

That stat took me all of two seconds to look up. Before speaking, research.

**Sirdowski** · 10-21-2012, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

WHAT?!?!?

Baldwin fired off the blind side completely untouched when Oher went inside to help Williams out. Flacco didn't even have time to set his feet, but yeah, it was completely on Joe.

WHAT THE FUCK GAME WERE YOU WATCHING???

He wasn't sacked the instant the ball was snapped. He had enough time to check his blindside, instead he never even looked to the left side of the field. You have to have better awareness than that. Unacceptable when your in your in your own end zone. That was a game changing play.

P. S. Take a deep breath for me.

**leachisabeast** · 10-21-2012, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by darb72

So you have no idea what you're talking about?

http://www.ravenspr.com/player_bios/joe_flacco.pdf

Among all NFL quarterbacks since 2008, Flacco has produced
22 total road wins (including playoffs), second to only Eli
Manning (23)

That stat took me all of two seconds to look up. Before speaking, research.

LOL, owned.

**alienrace** · 10-21-2012, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Wildcard weekend isn't really playoff teams though. Imagine if the Ravens were good enough to get a first round bye. He'd have a lot less wins.

The mods need to ban this troll.

**Heap86** · 10-21-2012, 09:26 PM

The mods need to ban this troll.

You're absolutely right, that about sums up this board.

No freedom of speech here.

**Corey** · 10-21-2012, 09:29 PM

This TEAM shit the bed today. If you can take anything away from this game about Flacco is that he's not so special that he can step up and take over the game. When enough things go right he excels and when alot of things go bad, he has a tendency to make them worse. That's not uncommon or unheard of it. It takes a really special player to just will his team to a win. Flacco is not that guy.

**pslholder96** · 10-21-2012, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Wildcard weekend isn't really playoff teams though. Imagine if the Ravens were good enough to get a first round bye. He'd have a lot less wins.

Please tell me you had help typing this up

**Sirdowski** · 10-21-2012, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Heap86

The mods need to ban this troll.

You're absolutely right, that about sums up this board.

No freedom of speech here.

You and the wanna be forum renegades are just flat out pathetic.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 10-21-2012, 10:04 PM

QBs can't complete passes to receivers who are not open. Especially when the pass rush gets to the QB before the receivers can get open because their routes take too long to develop.

Receivers can't get open when the opposing D not only constantly knows when it's going to be a pass but also knows what type of routes they're going to run because there's not enough variety in their pass routes.

The Air Coryell works by establishing the run to get the play action going to force the safeties to play near the line to open up the deep routes.
The play action does not work if you don't run the ball.

These are simple basic facts that any idiot can understand.
Cam has no excuse. He can blame execution all he wants.
You try forcing a square peg into a round hole sometime. See if you can execute that.

**darb72** · 10-21-2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

He wasn't sacked the instant the ball was snapped. He had enough time to check his blindside, instead he never even looked to the left side of the field. You have to have better awareness than that. Unacceptable when your in your in your own end zone. That was a game changing play.

P. S. Take a deep breath for me.

Flacco had no time to set up on that play because the blitzer came free off the edge. It was a full house blitz and we didn't have enough people to block it.

**Sirdowski** · 10-21-2012, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by darb72

Flacco had no time to set up on that play because the blitzer came free off the edge. It was a full house blitz and we didn't have enough people to block it.

It was poor awareness. Period.

**redmike34** · 10-21-2012, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

This TEAM shit the bed today. If you can take anything away from this game about Flacco is that he's not so special that he can step up and take over the game. When enough things go right he excels and when alot of things go bad, he has a tendency to make them worse. That's not uncommon or unheard of it. It takes a really special player to just will his team to a win. Flacco is not that guy.

I agree. I think the most pertinent question, given that, is what is that level of performance worth paying for?

I'm not the Cam hater that most around here seem to be, but I wish they'd gotten rid of him this offseason just so that the Ravens could have evaluated Flacco's performance under a different OC. That might give a much better idea of how good Flacco actually is. As it stands, it's hard to tell sometimes where Flacco's weaknesses end and where Cameron's playcalling foibles begin.

I think the problems are probably close to evenly split between the two, but I don't know. All I know is that based on the seven games played so far this year, it's hard to justify a big contract for Flacco. The inconsistency of his play is inexplicable. Since the start of the 2011 season, he's had nine games with a rating above 100, but eight with a rating below 70. Only two of the games with a rating above 100 were on the road, and all but one of the below-70 ratings were on the road. I realize that everybody has a bad day now and again, but that's an almost schizophrenic swing between great performance at home and terrible performance on the road. I don't track the stats of any other QBs, but I wonder if there's another QB in the league who has such an enormous differential in QB rating at home and on the road. Last year, there was only a 7.3 difference in Flacco's rating at home and on the road--this year it's a mind-blowing 51.5 at this point...

The only thing that's really different this year is the emphasis on the no-huddle. Based on the evidence, I'd say it's not worth it on the road.

**darb72** · 10-21-2012, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

It was poor awareness. Period.

Disagree. It was a three step drop, Flacco hit his second and was nailed.

Now you could argue that we shouldn't have been throwing at all in that situation, but the play as it was called left Flacco no chance. He, along with the rest of the team not named Jones or Suggs, looked like crap all day. But that safety wasn't Joe.

**Benny8444** · 10-22-2012, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

This TEAM shit the bed today. If you can take anything away from this game about Flacco is that he's not so special that he can step up and take over the game. When enough things go right he excels and when alot of things go bad, he has a tendency to make them worse. That's not uncommon or unheard of it. It takes a really special player to just will his team to a win. Flacco is not that guy.

I agree and there are only a few QBs who i can put in that catagory and others not in that caregory have also won SBs.

Flacco is a great qb and def top 10 but its usually the top 5 that are the ones that can take a game over when everything else fails.