Time for some in house changes?

**wickedsolo** · 10-22-2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Is he? He doesn't hold his coordinators responsible for anything. He doesn't even know what's going on in their meetings. If i were the head coach, and something was going horribly wrong, I'd get involved before the ship sank.

Prove it.

What is said to the press during post-game interviews is VERY different than what happens Mon-Fri behind closed doors.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 10-22-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

He also had an offense that was able to control the game and put his D in a position to tee off frequently with big leads. Not something that is happening here. I think Pees has not shown a lot in terms of adjustments etc but that said he has had a bad deck of cards dealt to him. Even Pagano would struggle if you took JJ, Suggs, Lewis, Webb, Redding etc away from him. Not going to be as harsh on Pees as say Cam....

I don't disagree. Pees is struggling. No denying that at all.
My original counter earlier is about speculation (poor specualtion IMO) of why Pees left NE.

**DarthCorvax** · 10-22-2012, 08:40 PM

Geez. They change the site's URL and now it's favorable to bash Cam. Most of my criticisms of Cam have been laid out here.

I will say that the thing that bothers me the most is that as soon as the Ravens get down a score, Cam acts like they're down 3 scores and abandons the run. It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as the Ravens usually then skid towards a loss.

That's a loser mentality. Playing not to lose is one of the things that helped get the Billick regime run out of town and it's happened again.

On top of that, he still wants to use these slow developing plays. At least he'll do a screen. And a slant. One or two per game, but that's it. Once he's used it, it's gone because, well, the other team might know he's running it and make his offense less baffling to the defense. Or some crap.

Cam and his system are dinosaurs. It's time to put them in a museum. And it's fine. Sometimes you're in the game so long that it changes on you and you don't know it did and you don't know how to react, so you keep doing what you do because it's all you know how to do. It works sometimes, but the rest of the time, the results can be bad. He needs to get with the times or get out.

He ought watch some Aaron Rodgers tapes. Not because Joe is supposed to be Rodgers, but they do different things to put Rodgers in the position to make a play.

Anyway, it's now favorable to bash Cam.

And now, I see folks are not thrilled with Pees now too. I expressed misgivings before the season started but got shouted down. Guess it's favorable here to feel that way now, too.

**lobachevsky** · 10-22-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Firststater

Speaking of rocket science, that defensive blitz resulting in a safety is one the Ravens, and especially Cam and Flacco, should be intimately familiar with. It is a play directly out of the Steeler's playbook, and one which Reed has runbefore. Polamalu did exactly the same thing to Joe and the Ravens resulting in a huge loss when no one picked him up and/or Joe failed to see him and did not audible out of the original play. Cam says they will work on correcting that miscue. But damn, when will they ever learn? When will Flacco learn to read defenses and to audible accordingly?

Mmm, I think it may have been something less (& more) than a simple overload blitz. Barwin is quoted in King's MMQB this week as saying either he or Brooks Reid (the other OLB) was spying Rice on 3rd downs especially. Someone said that on the play that went for a safety, it didn't look like Barwin was blitzing. It may be that he wasn't, so long as Rice was to that side, but when #27 shifted to the other side because he saw someone coming from there, Rice became Reid's responsibility & Barwin was free to blitz. In fact that may have been specifically designed into the defensive call: the OLB nearest Rice at the snap would spy him while the other one blitzed.

**wickedsolo** · 10-22-2012, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Ray Rice had a great year last year, and the Ravens made it to within one dropped pass from making it to the Super Bowl. If they would have left the OL alone, and just replaced Grubbs with KO, they would be in much better shape right now. I would have loved to have seen them keep Grubbs, but if that wasn't possible due to the salary cap, then they actually found a gem in KO to replace him with for THIS season. Nothing is stopping them from moving Oher to LT and KO to RT next year after they have a chance to get a better LG and C in the draft or through FA.

I think that is what everyone expected.

I know you have your doubts, but I still 100% believe that was the intention before McKinnie's off-season issues.

**steelerhater** · 10-22-2012, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Prove it.

What is said to the press during post-game interviews is VERY different than what happens Mon-Fri behind closed doors.

Its pretty obvious if you've been paying attention over the last 4 years. Cam can do no wrong in Harbaugh's eyes. Two years ago he said that the offense had to get better and he would take a more active role in it. Not a single thing changed for the remainder of that season nor did it change the following season. I watched the steelers last night with their (supposedly) makeshift line calling plays, such as wide-receiver screens, that made Ben successfull. If they have a bad offensive line you wouldn't know it by watching their offense.

**Corey** · 10-22-2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Is he? He doesn't hold his coordinators responsible for anything. He doesn't even know what's going on in their meetings. If i were the head coach, and something was going horribly wrong, I'd get involved before the ship sank.

I am curious what the heck you think Harbaugh does all day? Steve Biscotti doesn't strike me as a man that is willing to pay Harbaugh millions to hang out in the cafeteria and play basketball all day.

**Corey** · 10-22-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Its pretty obvious if you've been paying attention over the last 4 years. Cam can do no wrong in Harbaugh's eyes. Two years ago he said that the offense had to get better and he would take a more active role in it. Not a single thing changed for the remainder of that season nor did it change the following season. I watched the steelers last night with their (supposedly) makeshift line calling plays, such as wide-receiver screens, that made Ben successfull. If they have a bad offensive line you wouldn't know it by watching their offense.

I might be confused on the timing but Harbaugh wanted to take a more active role in the offense THIS YEAR. And if you haven't seen a major change your blind. The team is almost exclusively using the hurry up/no huddle offense.

**ravenjoe** · 10-22-2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by DrUnk

Harbs needs to grow a set, and get in his coaches faces when they are calling a bad game.

And in the players faces when they demonstrate a lack of discipline on the field!!

**Terpsfan82** · 10-23-2012, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

I might be confused on the timing but Harbaugh wanted to take a more active role in the offense THIS YEAR. And if you haven't seen a major change your blind. The team is almost exclusively using the hurry up/no huddle offense.

If you go back and listen to the end of season presser, Harbs promised to get involved with the offense after the 2010 season, ot last year. And the previous poster was right. Fundamentally nothing has changed.

**wickedsolo** · 10-23-2012, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Its pretty obvious if you've been paying attention over the last 4 years. Cam can do no wrong in Harbaugh's eyes. Two years ago he said that the offense had to get better and he would take a more active role in it. Not a single thing changed for the remainder of that season nor did it change the following season. I watched the steelers last night with their (supposedly) makeshift line calling plays, such as wide-receiver screens, that made Ben successfull. If they have a bad offensive line you wouldn't know it by watching their offense.

So, you basically can't prove what you said.

This is your opinion, which is fine, but don't sit there and say that Harbs doesn't know what is going on and doesn't attend offensive meetings. There is no possible way that you could know that and I have a hard time believing that any coach (esp the head coach) would basically just sit around and twiddle his thumbs until Sunday when they take the field, which is essentially what you're implying by saying Harbaugh doesn't know what's going on and isn't involved.

**wickedsolo** · 10-23-2012, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by ravenjoe

And in the players faces when they demonstrate a lack of discipline on the field!!

Pay attention to the sidelines. He does that.

Remember a couple of pre-seasons ago when Ellerbe had a pick 6 and started acting like an asshole on the field? As soon as he got off the field Harbs was in his face ripping him a new one.

When Christian Thompson got into some swings on Sunday against Houston as soon as he came off the sideline Harbs was right there saying "what the hell was that?"

**sailorsam** · 10-23-2012, 07:52 AM

I has now officially given up on Cam. get him gone. now. Billick firing Fassell was one of his best moves and it paid off. promote Caldwell. NOW.
I think Belichek was his own DC in Nengland. bottom line, the D is poor now, and it's probly a combo talent loss and coaching. I for one would love to see Rex come back but know that isn't likely. don't think they realized how much JJ and Redding were contributing; or maybe they figured the O was ready to light it up. maybe they still will; Hst has a good D.
let's face it, no one here wants 10-6 and a brief playoff run. That's Norv Turner territory.

**Sua Sponte** · 10-23-2012, 10:19 AM

I keep seeing post about Flacco audibles and it not being just Cam calling the plays. What the F does Flacoo audible too, some shit he made up. He still gets calls from the sideline and when a QB usually audibles he gets a primary call and a secondary call or is trained to audible to certain calls in certain situations. Either way, unless it is a run 97% of the offensive play calling is slow developing routes and take to much time to develop. Just watch some other games, I can't sit here and say well the OL is playing bad, Flacco is playing bad, the WR's never get seperation or open. Your damn right they don't because they are coached that way, the scheme is setup for a primary target with a secondary and maybe a dumpoff if that is not the second option. If they go 4 wide (3 WR, 1TE) 2 of those players are decoys in this offense. They run donm the field because that is what they are asked to do. Just go occupy some space young fella, don't worry about looking back or breaking off of a route into a open area, just occupy space. It is obvious, and when Cam decides to stop running when Rice when he is average 4.6 YPC it is even easy. Drop 2 safeties and the LB covers ther middle which they are not going after anyway. Teams could literally rush 6 ever snap against Cams offense in passing situations.
Joe had a lousy game and Cam is just Cam, I wanted him gone 3 years ago and that will not change even if Flacco comes back and puts up 300 a game and 30 td's.
Fire Cam and let Caldwell take the helm. It's not like they need to shop for a coordinator and Caldwell knows Joe enough now to get this thing going. Cut the Bull Shit Harbs, grow a pair and part ways with monkey that has been on this teams back years.
If I can call the O play before Joe even gets under center or I'm about 85% when he audibles then what do you think a professional coordinator is doing.

**Bufflehead** · 10-23-2012, 10:33 AM

hahaahha this made my day Sua:

I keep seeing post about Flacco audibles and it not being just Cam calling the plays. What the F does Flacoo audible too, some shit he made up. He still gets calls from the sideline and when a QB usually audibles he gets a primary call and a secondary call or is trained to audible to certain calls in certain situations