Why does Birk use the exact same shotgun snap routine every freaking time?

**moose10101** · 10-22-2012, 10:04 AM

1) Look back at Flacco.
2) Drop head.
3) Snap on one-count.
4) Get Flacco killed.

Never looks up again, never holds the ball for an extra second or two to throw off the rushers. Just gives them the best possible jump on the snap.

This O-line might actually look OK on the road if the D-line didn't know the exact instant that the ball will be snapped. It's like a middle-school team. They could even draw some encroachment penalties if they'd just mix it up a little. How difficult could that be?

**rharris1986** · 10-22-2012, 11:00 AM

He's got nine more games as a Raven. Hope Joe survives

**Ravenswintitle** · 10-22-2012, 11:02 AM

it's Cams fault

**leachisabeast** · 10-22-2012, 11:03 AM

Actually, it could be Andy Moellers fault. Not even joking about that.

**moose10101** · 10-22-2012, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Actually, it could be Andy Moellers fault. Not even joking about that.

Yes, it is. It's the coach's job to keep players from becoming too predictable. And if the average fan can see it, the coach should have seen it in training camp and FIXED IT!

Why do I get the feeling that Pees is going to be the fall guy for all of the incompetence on offense?

**Shas** · 10-22-2012, 11:46 AM

Birk has done this since he got here. Teams timing the snap got really bad at one point and he did change it up, and I recall a particular game when they were able to create three or four offsides penalties. That put a temporary end to it...but he reverted shortly thereafter.

I can recall an interview with Ray Lewis where he showed film on Eddie George and had picked up on a "tell" where George's toe was slightly offset before the snap and Ray knew which way the play was going. If they pay attention to this little detail, you know they are paying attention to Birk's headsnap routine.

**Brtnder81** · 10-23-2012, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Shas

Birk has done this since he got here. Teams timing the snap got really bad at one point and he did change it up, and I recall a particular game when they were able to create three or four offsides penalties. That put a temporary end to it...but he reverted shortly thereafter.

I can recall an interview with Ray Lewis where he showed film on Eddie George and had picked up on a "tell" where George's toe was slightly offset before the snap and Ray knew which way the play was going. If they pay attention to this little detail, you know they are paying attention to Birk's headsnap routine.

Maybe while Ray is hurt they should have him doing the self scouting for our offense and try to pick out those little tells

**moose10101** · 10-23-2012, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Brtnder81

Maybe while Ray is hurt they should have him doing the self scouting for our offense and try to pick out those little tells

He would be great at that. A good coach should have all of his players doing that.

**wickedsolo** · 10-23-2012, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Shas

Birk has done this since he got here. Teams timing the snap got really bad at one point and he did change it up, and I recall a particular game when they were able to create three or four offsides penalties. That put a temporary end to it...but he reverted shortly thereafter.

I can recall an interview with Ray Lewis where he showed film on Eddie George and had picked up on a "tell" where George's toe was slightly offset before the snap and Ray knew which way the play was going. If they pay attention to this little detail, you know they are paying attention to Birk's headsnap routine.

Also, anyone else notice that Yanda waves his hand right behind Birk's leg and then Birk snaps it directly after? That's a pretty big tell as well.

This is a problem and one reason why DL's are able to jump the snap like they do against the Ravens.

**wickedsolo** · 10-23-2012, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by moose10101

He would be great at that. A good coach should have all of his players doing that.

I'm sure they are, but who knows if Andy Moeller and Cam are actually listening.

**Jsmoove** · 10-23-2012, 07:38 AM

How that drunk Moeller is still here i dont know, we fired Matsko for him??? The Oline is still atrocious and he still gets DUIs..smh..I want Steve B to lay the hammer down in the offseason.

**Paintballguy** · 10-23-2012, 07:42 AM

How the o-line coach even has a job is puzzling. We need a real o-line coach in here.

**arnie_uk** · 10-23-2012, 07:59 AM

Just watched the safety again. My oh my oh my I didn't think it was that damn noticeable.

Before the snap there was a guy lined up to birks right, between him and yanda, I think it was smith, then mercilus I thnk, number 53 on Williams and Barwin was lined up on oher.

Then it happens, yanda slaps birk,smith slides over on top of Williams, causing Williams to block him, oher then has to pull inside to block mercilus, or whoever 53 is and then that leaves Barwin untouched.

They knew the snap count, point blank, yanda slaps birk, birk looks between his legs and presto, snapped.

**iggyman555** · 10-23-2012, 08:54 AM

why doesnt joe ever use hard counts or fake snap (brady, peyton, rivers etc) to see whos blitzing

**Paintballguy** · 10-23-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

why doesnt joe ever use hard counts or fake snap (brady, peyton, rivers etc) to see whos blitzing

It's bad coaching plain and simple. Flacco has a good hard count when he uses it.

**moose10101** · 10-23-2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

why doesnt joe ever use hard counts or fake snap (brady, peyton, rivers etc) to see whos blitzing

He occasionally does a hard count, but only when he's under the center. The shotgun routine never varies. I've never seen the fake snap thing, either.

**wickedsolo** · 10-23-2012, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

It's bad coaching plain and simple. Flacco has a good hard count when he uses it.

Maybe it's me, but I don't ever notice Flacco using any kind of cadence or count (in shotgun) when the stadium is loud and they are on the road.

Birk looks under his legs, Yanda looks back, Yanda waves his hand signaling something to Birk, ball snaps.

**Paintballguy** · 10-23-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Maybe it's me, but I don't ever notice Flacco using any kind of cadence or count (in shotgun) when the stadium is loud and they are on the road.

Birk looks under his legs, Yanda looks back, Yanda waves his hand signaling something to Birk, ball snaps.

I don't either. I'm talking about when Joe does use a hard count which isn't on the road.

**leachisabeast** · 10-24-2012, 05:24 AM

And you can't really blame the players for doing that, the coaches have to find a way to overcome it and adjust that shit. Moellers an idiot.

Is Julian Castello still out there after Philly fired him? He may not be a good DC, but he was a good Oline coach, maybe Harbaugh could consider giving him a call. I assume they were together in Philly a few years back. Not really sure on what scheme he believes in, but anythings better than this drunken moron that we have right now.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 10-24-2012, 05:35 AM

Might as well bring in Castillo since Moeller will probably end up the fall guy anyway to protect Cam when Harbaugh starts feeling pressure from the top to hold somebody accountable for the offense's inconsistency and, at times, incompetence.