Harbaugh loyal to a fault... Ravens coaching staff

**Ravenalytics** · 10-23-2012, 02:09 PM

Ultimately the decision rests with Biscuit.

I know he doesn't like to meddle, but I have to wonder if he isn't a little bit tempted to step in after this season.

**steelerhater** · 10-23-2012, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by ravens1217

First off, none of those guys were "ditched". Second, we promoted from within every single time which is why there wasn't much drop off. Continuity is a big bonus in the ever changing roster/coaching world of the NFL. The player turnover and major injuries on defense is the biggest reason why we see such a drop off this season, not the coaching.

The "boss" has had plenty of opportunities to "shit can" Cameron, there has to be a reason other than "Harbaugh is loyal" as to why he's stayed. Why do people think these issues are so simple??

This issue is very simple. The front office is more than happy with our offense under Cam Cameron.

**pslholder96** · 10-23-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

This issue is very simple. The front office is more than happy with our offense under Cam Cameron.

What proof do you have?

**steelerhater** · 10-23-2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

What proof do you have?

The last 4 years!

**pslholder96** · 10-23-2012, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

The last 4 years!

Do you you have inside info that Steve B is happy with Cam. Didn't think so.

**Kevlar** · 10-23-2012, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by ravens1217

First off, none of those guys were "ditched". Second, we promoted from within every single time which is why there wasn't much drop off. Continuity is a big bonus in the ever changing roster/coaching world of the NFL. The player turnover and major injuries on defense is the biggest reason why we see such a drop off this season, not the coaching.

The "boss" has had plenty of opportunities to "shit can" Cameron, there has to be a reason other than "Harbaugh is loyal" as to why he's stayed. Why do people think these issues are so simple??

I see you are avoiding the question.

Why do you think the team would be worse off ditching Cameron, who no other team in their right mind wants, when there hasn't been a big drop off when we have lost really good coordinators, whom other teams did want, and put into head coaching jobs?

Cameron is a dead albatross around the neck of this franchise.

**Captain Silver** · 10-23-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Cameron is a dead albatross around the neck of this franchise.

Dead man walking more like it.

**goodandfast** · 10-23-2012, 02:51 PM

Feels like Matt Cavanaugh all over again...except Cam is wasting far more talent than Cavanaugh ever had to work with.

**ravens1217** · 10-23-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

I see you are avoiding the question.

Why do you think the team would be worse off ditching Cameron, who no other team in their right mind wants, when there hasn't been a big drop off when we have lost really good coordinators, whom other teams did want, and put into head coaching jobs?

Cameron is a dead albatross around the neck of this franchise.

I never said the team would be worse off ditching Cameron, please show me where I said this. I have no clue what is said behind closed doors, so why Cameron was brought back this season, I don't have a real answer to. However, I do know it is a lot more complex than "Harbaugh is loyal to a fault". My educated guess is that decision is made as a collective group that starts with Biscotti and includes input from offensive players. If you remember back in 2007, Biscotti guaranteed that Billick would be back, but then fired him a few weeks later b/c he "lost" the locker room. If Flacco and other players hate Cameron as much as people speculate, I don't think he'd be our offensive coordinator. Those feelings are exagerrated big time. Just a guess, but an educated one.

Also, what proof do you have that "no other team in their right mind wants" Cameron as their offensive coordinator. That is nothing beyond pure speculation and not even close to being fact. What is fact is that our offensive output is a lot higher with Cameron and Flacco than it was with any combination under the offensive "guru" of Brian Billick. We can argue "talent" all day, but at the end of the day, every NFL team has world class talent, end of story.

I'm pretty sure w/out the success of the offense, we would have lost both the Pats and the Cowboys game, that can't be argued. Like I said before, I'm waiting to see the end result of the season before making any drastic decisions. This is not the Cleveland Browns who dont' even sniff the playoffs, this is the Baltimore Ravens who are contenders for the 5th year in a row. I trust their judgement to turn it around then I do people sitting at home doing nothing but pointing out every negative stat/play there is and refusing to look at anything positive.

**The Excellector** · 10-23-2012, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Regarding Pees...I understand why they went with him, but I thought Ted Monachino would be the better choice. Young, hungry, and aggressive.

You wanted Monachino, I wanted Brooks, neither of us got our wish and we're both pissed off right now.

**Sua Sponte** · 10-23-2012, 03:11 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...re-ravens-loss

Did you say Soft D?

**ravens1217** · 10-23-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

You wanted Monachino, I wanted Brooks, neither of us got our wish and we're both pissed off right now.

Please, do we really think the results would be drastically different with the personnel we've had? There's a reason the Jets defense has a huge drop off w/out Darelle Reivis. Rex was calling the plays with and without him, but when you don't have the horses I don't care who is calling the plays, you will not get the same results. BTW, how is Brooks' d-line doing right now?? They've had the worst performance of the bunch.

**Paintballguy** · 10-23-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

The last 4 years!

The things that saved Cam for this year was the fact there were really no appealing candidates to bring in, having the lockout and wanting some continuity with Pagano leaving. I think Cam is done this year though. I don't see Flacco wanting Cam to be back.

**ravens1217** · 10-23-2012, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

The things that saved Cam for this year was the fact there were really no appealing candidates to bring in, having the lockout and wanting some continuity with Pagano leaving. I think Cam is done this year though. I don't see Flacco wanting Cam to be back.

These are much more educated reasons than "Harbaugh is too loyal"

**wickedsolo** · 10-23-2012, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

The things that saved Cam for this year was the fact there were really no appealing candidates to bring in, having the lockout and wanting some continuity with Pagano leaving. I think Cam is done this year though. I don't see Flacco wanting Cam to be back.

Yup.

I'd be willing to be a pretty penny that had Norv Turner not been retained by San Diego they would have definitely been looking at him as either a replacement or a consultant of some sort.

And it is more than just Flacco likely not wanting him back...how about Ray Rice? Dude gets a serious pay day and is barely included in the offensive game plans. Leach too.