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    How's that potent passing offense doing?



    Cam Cameron takes the heat, but he is only doing what his bosses ask him to do, which is feature the passing game. That's an organizational decision that starts at the highest levels, goes through Harbaugh, and only then arrives at Cameron's desk. It is naive to think that Cameron runs this offense on his own.

    The Ravens brass has decided, several years ago, that they are going to be a "passing" offense, whatever that means. Sadly, this is reminiscent of the decision to sign Elvis Grbac. It's the same story. Instead of winning with running and defense, as they did in 2000, they completely subverted the identity of this team and wasted Ray Lewis's, Ed Reed's, and now are wasting Ray Rice's career. The Ravens could have 3 or 4 superbowl rings by now.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    Cam Cameron takes the heat, but he is only doing what his bosses ask him to do, which is feature the passing game. That's an organizational decision that starts at the highest levels, goes through Harbaugh, and only then arrives at Cameron's desk. It is naive to think that Cameron runs this offense on his own.

    The Ravens brass has decided, several years ago, that they are going to be a "passing" offense, whatever that means. Sadly, this is reminiscent of the decision to sign Elvis Grbac. It's the same story. Instead of winning with running and defense, as they did in 2000, they completely subverted the identity of this team and wasted Ray Lewis's, Ed Reed's, and now are wasting Ray Rice's career. The Ravens could have 3 or 4 superbowl rings by now.
    The NFL is a passing league, teams that win feature passing QB's and passing offenses. Giants won via Eli Mannings arm, not the run game, the run game was just a compliment to Manning. Name me the last team that won a Superbowl the way you are proposing they do? There will never be another 2000 Ravens....get over it. The rules are such today that it is slanted to allow for offensive production especially via the air. Until that changes, defense is not going to win you a championship. Don't get me wrong, having a good D greatly increases your chances of winning a Super Bowl but having that D without a PASSING OFFENSE that is credible will not get it done. Case in point the Ravens.
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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    The Steelers of 2005 won with rushing and defense. The Giants of 2007 did too, EM was still developing at that point. Of course you need to make some key plays in the passing game. The 2000 Ravens made plenty of them. It's the identity of the team I am talking about. Right now, even if somehow they decided to feature Ray Rice more, they couldn't. It takes a certain chemistry of the O-line, a certain streak in the locker room, to be able to come in and push people back and run the ball on them. The Ravens used to have it. Now they don't.

    And it goes hand in hand with stopping the run. Show me a great defense that did not have a great rushing offense. You can't play defense if you are on the field for 50 snaps a game.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Thank goodness!

    Finally, a thread talking about somebody's opinion about the game on Sunday and somebody's insights on what the problem is with the team.

    I've been waiting for this thread all day!
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    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    Cam Cameron takes the heat, but he is only doing what his bosses ask him to do, which is feature the passing game. That's an organizational decision that starts at the highest levels, goes through Harbaugh, and only then arrives at Cameron's desk. It is naive to think that Cameron runs this offense on his own.

    The Ravens brass has decided, several years ago, that they are going to be a "passing" offense, whatever that means. Sadly, this is reminiscent of the decision to sign Elvis Grbac. It's the same story. Instead of winning with running and defense, as they did in 2000, they completely subverted the identity of this team and wasted Ray Lewis's, Ed Reed's, and now are wasting Ray Rice's career. The Ravens could have 3 or 4 superbowl rings by now.
    Last 6 Super Bowl winners were passing offenses.

    What wasted Ray and Ed's careers was the drafting and "development" of Kyle Boller.

    The team did return to a run offense though in 08-10 and that didn't win a Super Bowl either.

    It's too easy to get up on the pedestal and do the "I told you so" bit when it comes to Super Bowls...no matter what argument used, the odds are for you if you say "Random team X" will not win the Super Bowl.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    The Steelers of 2005 won with rushing and defense. The Giants of 2007 did too, EM was still developing at that point. Of course you need to make some key plays in the passing game. The 2000 Ravens made plenty of them. It's the identity of the team I am talking about. Right now, even if somehow they decided to feature Ray Rice more, they couldn't. It takes a certain chemistry of the O-line, a certain streak in the locker room, to be able to come in and push people back and run the ball on them. The Ravens used to have it. Now they don't.
    Both the Steelers of 2005 and Giants in 2007 had QB who could make big plays in the passing game when needed. They are the closest things to what the Ravens were trying to build though. Both those teams featured solid defense and good running games but they also had the ability to move the ball pretty consistently through the air as well. I don't see either those teams winning a Super Bowl with a lesser QB imo.
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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Problem is the pass interference penalty is too big. Automatic first down every time. The defense has to be totally hands off and its almost impossible to do when both players are getting position. The rule changes favor the pass more and more. Of course teams are going to feature it.

    Hopefully one day the rules will swing back in favor of the defender and let these guys play football instead of playing for an automatic first down all the time.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Last 6 Super Bowl winners were passing offenses.

    What wasted Ray and Ed's careers was the drafting and "development" of Kyle Boller.

    The team did return to a run offense though in 08-10 and that didn't win a Super Bowl either.

    It's too easy to get up on the pedestal and do the "I told you so" bit when it comes to Super Bowls...no matter what argument used, the odds are for you if you say "Random team X" will not win the Super Bowl.
    Drafting and developing Boller didn't waste their careers. Ed Reed has been a Raven for 10+ years, Ray Lewis for 17. The Boller era was less than 3 full seasons. By 2006, they had moved on to McNair, instead of Brees. Had they gone with Brees, where could we be now with regard to SB trophy's? Hindsight is a wonderful thing....




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    The passing offense was doing just fine until the last game anyway. One game doesn't break a season.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by HKusp View Post
    Drafting and developing Boller didn't waste their careers. Ed Reed has been a Raven for 10+ years, Ray Lewis for 17. The Boller era was less than 3 full seasons. By 2006, they had moved on to McNair, instead of Brees. Had they gone with Brees, where could we be now with regard to SB trophy's? Hindsight is a wonderful thing....
    Brees had a torn shoulder and still got $10 million a year offers from the Dolphins and Saints. I can't blame Ozzie, and most other teams, for passing one that one.

    Great point about Boller. He was on the team for a while but he certainly wasn't the man for that long.
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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    Cam Cameron takes the heat, but he is only doing what his bosses ask him to do, which is feature the passing game. That's an organizational decision that starts at the highest levels, goes through Harbaugh, and only then arrives at Cameron's desk. It is naive to think that Cameron runs this offense on his own.

    The Ravens brass has decided, several years ago, that they are going to be a "passing" offense, whatever that means. Sadly, this is reminiscent of the decision to sign Elvis Grbac. It's the same story. Instead of winning with running and defense, as they did in 2000, they completely subverted the identity of this team and wasted Ray Lewis's, Ed Reed's, and now are wasting Ray Rice's career. The Ravens could have 3 or 4 superbowl rings by now.
    Why are our receivers not getting separation??
    This is the KEY to the solution of the problem.
    It is not the speed level of these fast outside receivers and Boldin and Pitta over the middle.

    Design routes to get receivers open. One can see it on display in any other NFL game every single weekend including the Ravens' opponents.




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    Re: How's that potent passing offense doing?

    The passing offense is a bit boom or bust. I think we're still leading the league in pass plays over 20 yards. We're also near the bottom on third down efficiency.

    Flacco also needs to throw it to Boldin more often early. If Boldin isn't double-covered, he's open.




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