Ravens have had discussions with Michael Oher on an extension

**jonboy79** · 10-24-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527

That fricking movie was a gravy train that made an NFL gravy train almost moot. Now it's a millstone around a solid OT's (if not top-tier LT's) neck.

Can't say it better than Yanda did:
"Michael Oher is doing a good job and always works really hard," Pro Bowl offensive guard Marshal Yanda said. "He's a great player. He's what you want in a football player. He takes it seriously, he works hard. He works at his craft every day in practice and he's just a great guy."

I have 2 words for those who would scoff at that: Jared Gaither.

jsut to be clear, you are saying that he is NOT a top tier LT right?
I can't believe you mean the opposite.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-24-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

If the agent pointed out he could play LT, I'd say Really?
And whatr are the chances that Winston can't play at THAT level...
Charlie Johnson played LT last year for Minny, does that mean he deserves LT money?
NO... you have to play LT at a reasonably hig level to get LT money.
Oher, despite improving this year, is still outside the top 20 at the left tackle position. People that play at that level only get rookie deals... So there aren't comparable contracts, unless he wants to look at Bryant McKinnie's conbtract for a comparable instead of Winston...

Yeah, he really played LT this year. Really.

As far as comparables, you are right in that regard. Very few have taken the path from RT. to LT. Back to RT. Back to LT.
All within their rookie contract.

One other factor is there are a number of tackles who are free agents in 2013, good ones too.

Jake Long
Jermaine Bushrod
Sebastian Vollmer
Michael Oher
Ryan Clady
Andre Smith

Gonna be interesting to see how all those situations play out. 2 Right tackles on that list as well in Vollmer and Smith.

**jonboy79** · 10-24-2012, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

Yeah, he really played LT this year. Really.

As far as comparables, you are right in that regard. Very few have taken the path from RT. to LT. Back to RT. Back to LT.
All within their rookie contract.

One other factor is there are a number of tackles who are free agents in 2013, good ones too.

Jake Long
Jermaine Bushrod
Sebastian Vollmer
Michael Oher
Ryan Clady
Andre Smith

Gonna be interesting to see how all those situations play out. 2 Right tackles on that list as well in Vollmer and Smith.

Yeah h played LT. About as well as John Skelton is playing QB. About as good as Charlie johnson played LT last year. And the reason Johnson is back to guard? Becuase they got a REAL LT. If we have the opportunity to get a real LT, Oher would be moved elsewhere again, hopefully inside to guard.

Ushrod is hot garbage, even Oher is better then that.
Smith should also receive less money then Oher. The rest of the list? Not so much. Vollmer may have only played RT thus far, but I would bet any money he could do so at a higher level then Oher. He is a FAR better Rt, IMO, probably the best in football.
Clady and Long are in a different stratosphere, and likely deserve DOUBLE what Oer will get in total contract dollars.

**arnie_uk** · 10-24-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoeFlaccoShow

Yeah, he really played LT this year. Really.

As far as comparables, you are right in that regard. Very few have taken the path from RT. to LT. Back to RT. Back to LT.
All within their rookie contract.

One other factor is there are a number of tackles who are free agents in 2013, good ones too.

Jake Long
Jermaine Bushrod
Sebastian Vollmer
Michael Oher
Ryan Clady
Andre Smith

Gonna be interesting to see how all those situations play out. 2 Right tackles on that list as well in Vollmer and Smith.

Oher isn't a free agent until 2014 for the record. He signed a 5 year deal in 09. There actually looking to do this deal a year and half early.

**TheJoeFlaccoShow** · 10-24-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

Oher isn't a free agent until 2014 for the record. He signed a 5 year deal in 09. There actually looking to do this deal a year and half early.

I know I was just talking about what their contracts will do to the overall market, should have made that more clear.

That is 5 deals that will have an impact on what he gets.

**Tucker: M&T Sec 527** · 10-24-2012, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

jsut to be clear, you are saying that he is NOT a top tier LT right?
I can't believe you mean the opposite.

Gaither or Oher?? JK.

Oher is not a good LT, but he may have to play there for another season. I had McKinnie at LT, Oher at RT, Yanda at RG and KO at LG pencilled in as TC closed. Shows what I know.

**jonboy79** · 10-24-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527

Gaither or Oher?? JK.

Oher is not a good LT, but he may have to play there for another season. I had McKinnie at LT, Oher at RT, Yanda at RG and KO at LG pencilled in as TC closed. Shows what I know.

Ok i thoughts so, and agree with you. Thanks for clearing that up.

BTW, Gaither is one of the better OT's in football both games a year he plays. The one game he's played this year he was FLAT OUT DOMINANT until the 2nd to last play when he got reinjured, and then almost singlehandedly Cundiffed away the game on the last snap. so... take that as yo will. The promise is obviously there, but the work ethic/health obviously is not.

**arnie_uk** · 10-24-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Ok i thoughts so, and agree with you. Thanks for clearing that up.

BTW, Gaither is one of the better OT's in football both games a year he plays. The one game he's played this year he was FLAT OUT DOMINANT until the 2nd to last play when he got reinjured, and then almost singlehandedly Cundiffed away the game on the last snap. so... take that as yo will. The promise is obviously there, but the work ethic/health obviously is not.

when fit or wanting to play, which ever people believe, he's one of the best LTs in football.

**jonboy79** · 10-24-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

when fit or wanting to play, which ever people believe, he's one of the best LTs in football.

I'm not sure how many people in Bmore watched the one game this year in which Gaither played, as there was an important Orioles game, but he was awesome. I think I am actually underplaying hwo good he was. I'm not sure I've seen Joe Thomas or Jake Long play that well in a couple of years...

**LouisianaRaven** · 10-24-2012, 06:40 PM

I'm in the minority but I think Oher has become a good left tackle. He's played well this year. I think the team likes his development. Having Kelechi allows Oher to finally stay in one position and develop. The flip flopping from side to side probably slowed down his development. Besides the Eagles game, I think he played pretty well. He may never be an all pro but that's not necessary. The majority of our woes on the line has either been at LG or RT.

**LouisianaRaven** · 10-24-2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I'm not sure how many people in Bmore watched the one game this year in which Gaither played, as there was an important Orioles game, but he was awesome. I think I am actually underplaying hwo good he was. I'm not sure I've seen Joe Thomas or Jake Long play that well in a couple of years...

I wish people would let this Gaither thing go. He's not coming back, not EVER! He's an injury prone LT. No matter how good you think he is, or could be, it doesn't matter if he is injury prone.

**wickedsolo** · 10-24-2012, 09:38 PM

When it comes to positions like QB and LT...sometimes the devil you know is a better situation than the devil you don't.

Oher will probably never peak out at anything more than a serviceable or (IMO) a below average LT and (also IMO) an average RT, BUT unless you've got a shot at a Joe Thomas or Jake Long type of player in the draft (which isn't happening after the top 10) then keeping a guy like Oher makes a lot of sense.

He's not going to cost much at all, comparatively.

**JAB1985** · 10-25-2012, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

When it comes to positions like QB and LT...sometimes the devil you know is a better situation than the devil you don't.

Oher will probably never peak out at anything more than a serviceable or (IMO) a below average LT and (also IMO) an average RT, BUT unless you've got a shot at a Joe Thomas or Jake Long type of player in the draft (which isn't happening after the top 10) then keeping a guy like Oher makes a lot of sense.

He's not going to cost much at all, comparatively.

I agree. I dont think itll be bad to give him an extension. worst case hes our RT and we either draft another LT (likely late and will be about the same but maybe a little better) or we give KO a shot. I dont think this staff is against moving pieces based on performance, and KO has more upside at this point, so even if theyre playing similarly this year, by next KO may have passed him.

**Ravenswintitle** · 10-25-2012, 07:29 AM

Like Gota mentioned, they're likely trying to restructure so they don't take such a cap hit next year; and that means extending. He is a very dependable guy, even though he has his limitations. They may be considering their options; of which one would be to move on...