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    Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team



    I would like my fellow board members to participate in a little social exercise. Please read the article linked below and give your thoughts. After a few replies I'll reveil more about this little "exercise". Thanks!

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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    At first I'm not sure what to make of it.

    It would seem to me with a drone over head watching the whole thing we'd have more than enough info to send troops scramble a jet or two, fire a missile from a sub, something.

    After the guys on the ground requested back up, reinforcements 3 times and being able to see via a drone overhead, if I were the General in Africom I would have authorized troops myself.

    I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for but that's my take. IF you're looking for something specific about the "article" let me know.
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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    Just wanted to make a point. There is alot of misinformation about the incident floating around. This article (which is also on Tea Party Tribune) is 100% completely false. I'm stationed in Stuttgart Germany and work at the AFRICOM Command Center. I know for a fact that my boss (Gen Ham) was not relieved of command during this incident.

    Now he is retiring and the next Commander has been picked, just awaiting confirmation from Congress. But he decided to retire in June.

    Notice there are no sources cited in this article. It's all made up. This is just one example, but there is a ton of half truths and downright lies being put out there about the Libya incident.
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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    I could tell the article was made up. It was from "beforeitsnews.com"

    I thought you were trying to see if we would have agreed with the general making the move or not.
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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    Notice there are no sources cited in this article. It's all made up. This is just one example, but there is a ton of half truths and downright lies being put out there about the Libya incident.
    Are you able to elaborate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    At first I'm not sure what to make of it.

    It would seem to me with a drone over head watching the whole thing we'd have more than enough info to send troops scramble a jet or two, fire a missile from a sub, something.

    After the guys on the ground requested back up, reinforcements 3 times and being able to see via a drone overhead, if I were the General in Africom I would have authorized troops myself.
    Seconded.

    It just doesn't make sense.

    The only reason to maintain the stand down when all available information warrants action would be for political reasons, right? Is it seriously just as simple as the President didn't want to start a fight with Libya with the election right around the corner?

    I'll tell you one thing, if this story checks out Romney needs to make it known every opportunity he gets that Gen. Ham is a true Patriot and that if elected he will be honorably reinstated.
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    Ahh. You dog, it seemed fishy.
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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirdowski View Post
    Ahh. You dog, it seemed fishy.
    TO be fair, other than the general being arrested and relived of command, I've seen reports and emails etc. (as I am sure you have to) that talk about some of the other things in there. Whether they are half-truths or not I don't know... we can only go off of what we're told.
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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    TO be fair, other than the general being arrested and relived of command, I've seen reports and emails etc. (as I am sure you have to) that talk about some of the other things in there. Whether they are half-truths or not I don't know... we can only go off of what we're told.
    True you can only go with the information available. But I've seen alot of reaction from people, where if they just stop and think they may realize they don't know everything thats going on.

    The nature of my job I'm been performing for 12 years now allows me to know alot about things behind the scenes.

    But for example the whole special forces on standby isn't accurate. AFRICOM has no assigned forces. Any operation we want to carry out, we have to go to components and request their involvement. Why? Because AFRICOM is only 6 years old. We're still trying to figure out how this COCOM (combatant command) is going to work and our overall mission. If you want a real scandal in AFRICOM look up our last commander, Gen Ward.

    I fault the White House handling of this in the aftermath. It was clear to anyone that this wasn't a riot that got out of hand but a terrorist attack.

    Anyone who knows anything about Command and Control or military chain of command in emergency situations can probably call BS on whats been reported what the White House knew during the attack. Where their drones in the area? Yes and no. Where special forces aware of the situation, yes, placed on standby, no. Was there a request for more security months prior, yes. But for a consultant office in Libya to request additional funding would 9 times out of 10 be denied no matter who's in the White House. This wasn't the Embassy for France, a more high vis position. Hell its hard for AFRICOM to get money, because we're seen as the new kids on the block. EUCOM gets all the funding, bastards.

    I just want people to keep an open mind about things. Don't assume somethings true, just because its reported on cable news, radio, or on the internet. Try finding experts in the field or current/previous people with military experince. I know must on here already do that. This Libya thing just really bothered me and I felt like saying something.
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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    True you can only go with the information available. But I've seen alot of reaction from people, where if they just stop and think they may realize they don't know everything thats going on.

    The nature of my job I'm been performing for 12 years now allows me to know alot about things behind the scenes.

    But for example the whole special forces on standby isn't accurate. AFRICOM has no assigned forces. Any operation we want to carry out, we have to go to components and request their involvement. Why? Because AFRICOM is only 6 years old. We're still trying to figure out how this COCOM (combatant command) is going to work and our overall mission. If you want a real scandal in AFRICOM look up our last commander, Gen Ward.

    I fault the White House handling of this in the aftermath. It was clear to anyone that this wasn't a riot that got out of hand but a terrorist attack.

    Anyone who knows anything about Command and Control or military chain of command in emergency situations can probably call BS on whats been reported what the White House knew during the attack. Where their drones in the area? Yes and no. Where special forces aware of the situation, yes, placed on standby, no. Was there a request for more security months prior, yes. But for a consultant office in Libya to request additional funding would 9 times out of 10 be denied no matter who's in the White House. This wasn't the Embassy for France, a more high vis position. Hell its hard for AFRICOM to get money, because we're seen as the new kids on the block. EUCOM gets all the funding, bastards.

    I just want people to keep an open mind about things. Don't assume somethings true, just because its reported on cable news, radio, or on the internet. Try finding experts in the field or current/previous people with military experince. I know must on here already do that. This Libya thing just really bothered me and I felt like saying something.
    Thanks for the info. I hadn't heard a rumor there where troops on standby. I had heard about a drone and backup being denied.

    I also heard from two sources exactly what you said. They White House's story is total BS. An Ambassador is a 4 star general equivalent, and once word gets out he is in danger the chain of command basically says that info gets to the POTUS ASA motha-f'ing P.

    My main thing is why we did nothing when we knew they were under attack. There are other things but that's the main thing.

    EDIT: Oh and one other I heard, part of the reason the two seals where finally hit by mortars was because they were "painting" the mortars with a laser believing a missile would be fired at it, any truth to that?
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    Re: Rogue U.S. General Arrested for Activating Special Forces Team

    Forgive me Dade, but I am still trying to figure out why you're outraged.

    It's a fly-by-night web site, linking to a story from another fly-by-night web site. I doubt anyone is taking this story seriously and if they are, that's on them. Having a web site means the check cleared. That's all.

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    Thanks for the info, Dade.

    As NC said, the bottom line is

    1. we did nothing when it was in our power to do so.

    2. They aren't telling us why, or what exactly happened.

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