How does this team get to 10 wins?

**Ravens75** · 11-05-2012, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by goldenelite28

I think it's kind of ridiculous that people can be so negative about a sports team and yet they continue to watch and talk about them.

If I'm reading a book and it sucks I simply put it down and read something else. Same goes for movies, tv shows, games, etc. I've never went on a bad roller coaster and then immediately jumped back in line for another ride.
Why torture yourself if we are going to go 2-6 the rest of the way?

Unfortunately a lot of these posters are posers that want us to think they are Ravens fans but really aren't.

Besides without them the board would be almost boring.

**GOTA** · 11-05-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

split the next 8 games and well get to 10 wins... not too difficult.

True. Even if the Ravens aren't playing well at worst they are still a .500 level NFL team. And that's at worst. There is no reason they shouldn't be 5-3 or 4-4 in their next 8.

**Paintballguy** · 11-05-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by goldenelite28

I think it's kind of ridiculous that people can be so negative about a sports team and yet they continue to watch and talk about them.

If I'm reading a book and it sucks I simply put it down and read something else. Same goes for movies, tv shows, games, etc. I've never went on a bad roller coaster and then immediately jumped back in line for another ride.
Why torture yourself if we are going to go 2-6 the rest of the way?

I really don't get it. The Ravens have been consistently good since Harbaugh got here, and you'd think they perennially have losing seasons according to some people here.

**Lee Van Cleef** · 11-05-2012, 07:54 AM

Personally I don't know what is more obnoxious:

A) People that insist the Ravens are doomed.
B) People that say 'look at the record, doom mongers' and completely gloss over any negative aspects of a performance and the potential implications of that.

I thought the point of a forum was debate about a topic, not polarised whining and polyannaism.

**ActualSpamBot** · 11-05-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef

Personally I don't know what is more obnoxious:

A) People that insist the Ravens are doomed.
B) People that say 'look at the record, doom mongers' and completely gloss over any negative aspects of a performance and the potential implications of that.

I thought the point of a forum was debate about a topic, not polarised whining and polyannaism.

Literally no post in this thread even comes close to your "B" point. The nearest one is mine in which I simply pointed out several aspects of the game which I found heartening in response to your claim that virtually nothing about that game was worth a positive takeaway. No one has simply said "6-2 So shut up."

But hey, if you want to adjust reality to suit a fictional theory of moral equivalency between two sides of a debate, go for it. This is a free forum and you're welcome to it.

**RedSkins Fury** · 11-05-2012, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by moose10101

And that's why yesterday's game isn't "heartening". Watching the team go 29 minutes and 59 seconds without a first down (that's half of an entire game, for the chronologically challenged) and letting the Browns start at their 39, 49, 44, 46, and 43-yard lines isn't "heartening". Do that against a team with a decent offense, and you're on the wrong side of another blowout.

Watching the team employ misdirection, rollouts, etc. successfully in the first quarter, and then totally abandon them, isn't "heartening". It just makes you want to reach for a barf bag.

The only things that were really heartening were:

1) Much better play against the run in the 2nd half
2) Continued good play by the special teams units
3) Ellerbe continuing to improve.

But those things won't beat the good teams that are coming up.

**srobert96** · 11-05-2012, 08:08 AM

Just because you are a fan of a team does not mean you can't have a negative outlook on the remainder of the season. There is nothing wrong with saying that due to the injuries and poor coaching it may be difficult for the Ravens to go .500 and make the playoffs. It is not an unrealistic attitude. You still pull hard for the team to win. I look at the way our crappy OC and DC are coaching and wonder how we beat the Steelers. I will still pull hard for them every week. I hope they find a way to win some games they are not expected to win.

**goldenelite28** · 11-05-2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

I really don't get it. The Ravens have been consistently good since Harbaugh got here, and you'd think they perennially have losing seasons according to some people here.

I mean we are 6-2. We scored 25 points against a pretty tough Browns D on the road, but because our 25 didn't come evenly people are complaining. We led nearly the entire game and as soon as we lost the lead our offense took it back.
We have averaged over 30 points a game at home and we still have 4 home games left so I'm not buying into the whole 2-6 2nd half record.

And for those who think we don't have a chance why are you torturing yourself? Why submit yourself to 3 hours of "horrible" football every Sunday?

**Lee Van Cleef** · 11-05-2012, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

Literally no post in this thread even comes close to your "B" point. The nearest one is mine in which I simply pointed out several aspects of the game which I found heartening in response to your claim that virtually nothing about that game was worth a positive takeaway. No one has simply said "6-2 So shut up."

But hey, if you want to adjust reality to suit a fictional theory of moral equivalency between two sides of a debate, go for it. This is a free forum and you're welcome to it.

Who was limiting the scope of my comment it to this thread? I certainly wasn't. If you want to do so to fit your narrow view of what shape the discussion about this team takes then go for it. This is a free forum and you're welcome to it.

Edit: And look at this page of 'Look at the doommongers, what's wrong with them?!' posts. I mean according to some they aren't really Ravens fans, or they should just make the logical choice to stop supporting the Ravens. Those comments are about as stupid as any prophecies of doom being thrown around.

**Paintballguy** · 11-05-2012, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by goldenelite28

I mean we are 6-2. We scored 25 points against a pretty tough Browns D on the road, but because our 25 didn't come evenly people are complaining. We led nearly the entire game and as soon as we lost the lead our offense took it back.
We have averaged over 30 points a game at home and we still have 4 home games left so I'm not buying into the whole 2-6 2nd half record.

And for those who think we don't have a chance why are you torturing yourself? Why submit yourself to 3 hours of "horrible" football every Sunday?

The same Browns D that held the Chargers to 6 points. I don't know why people are surprised the Browns played us tough. They always do. I called it in the prediction thread. Also, I think there were some positives from the Browns game we can look at. The defense did not allow a touchdown when the Browns consistently had good field position throughout the game. Next, the defense for the most part managed Richardson. He averaged 4.2 ypc and his longest run was 19 yards. Granted he got over 100 yards, but he didn't run all over us. Also, Rice got his 25 carries and almost 100 yards rushing and a td and Pierce had that real nice TD run.

**Corey** · 11-05-2012, 08:15 AM

First of all the Ravens are a different beast at home. They get the Steelers, Giants, and Broncos in Baltimore. I expect them to win all 3 of those games. Of the Redskins, Bengals, and Chargers they will find a way to win another one. And the game vs. Oakland. I expect them to not only get to 10 wins but maybe even pass it.

**JustaslowZ06** · 11-05-2012, 08:30 AM

Ok without the doom and gloom or bashin of other posters, damn guys maybe answer the questions instead of just frying people.

At he start of the year I had us losing, NE and the Giants at home and SD,KC and Houston on the road.

Now midway through the season I can still see us losing to the Giants and now see us losing to the Skins, add in la loss @ Pitt. Denver will be the swing game as to if we finish with 10 or 11 wins. The really unfortunate thing is, I can also see Shitsburgh getting to 11 wins also.

**alienrace** · 11-05-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

First of all the Ravens are a different beast at home. They get the Steelers, Giants, and Broncos in Baltimore. I expect them to win all 3 of those games. Of the Redskins, Bengals, and Chargers they will find a way to win another one. And the game vs. Oakland. I expect them to not only get to 10 wins but maybe even pass it.

This ^^

I predicted 11-5 and I am sticking with it.

I think a lot of people are overlooking that the Ravens defense played much better against the Browns then they did in their first meeting(at home even). The pass rush was dismal in the first half, but the team is making adjustments, and tightening things up.

People also forget that the supposed mighty, unbeatable Chargers team, only scored 6 points the week before against these same Browns. So we are this horrible team, that can't score, yet we put up 25 against them? Won by 10 on the road?

There is doom and gloom, and I get that, but there is also chicken little, and there's a LOT of chicken little going on around here.

**alienrace** · 11-05-2012, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Ok without the doom and gloom or bashin of other posters, damn guys maybe answer the questions instead of just frying people.

At he start of the year I had us losing, NE and the Giants at home and SD,KC and Houston on the road.

Now midway through the season I can still see us losing to the Giants and now see us losing to the Skins, add in la loss @ Pitt. Denver will be the swing game as to if we finish with 10 or 11 wins. The really unfortunate thing is, I can also see Shitsburgh getting to 11 wins also.

I agree about Pittsburgh. We have to garner at least a split with them, or they might very well win the division. I had them losing @ NY, and they surprised me, big time. That game was huge for them, and puts them back into the race. Otherwise the Ravens would have had a 2 game cushion to work with.

I don't see us losing the Skins. I'm not sure how anybody sees that. They aren't very good at all. I also don't see us losing to the Giants at home. Not after seeing them against the Steelers. The Giants look like they could be starting their typical second half swoon.

The Denver game will be tough, unless we discover a pass rush. That one could prevent us from winning the division.

**pslholder96** · 11-05-2012, 08:38 AM

While I didn't predict a record my gut feeling prior to this year was that the Ravens would win the division and guarantee themselves at least one home game in the playoffs. So far we are on track but for whatever reason most posters act like the train has already derailed. Yes it's frustrating how the offense occassionally finds themselves in a funk for an extended period of time so I understand the "confidence" factor taking a hit but this is a resilent good football team. One game at a time folks.

**srobert96** · 11-05-2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Ok without the doom and gloom or bashin of other posters, damn guys maybe answer the questions instead of just frying people.

At he start of the year I had us losing, NE and the Giants at home and SD,KC and Houston on the road.

Now midway through the season I can still see us losing to the Giants and now see us losing to the Skins, add in la loss @ Pitt. Denver will be the swing game as to if we finish with 10 or 11 wins. The really unfortunate thing is, I can also see Shitsburgh getting to 11 wins also.

Don't see us losing to the Skins.

Wins: Oak, Was,
Losses: Pitt(Rd)
Toss up: Pitt(home), SD, Den, NYG, Cincy

I have SD as a toss up because Norv Turner has owned our defense even when it was not in bad shape. Cincy may move to a win if they continue to struggle and lose games. They may not have anything to play for the last week of the season. DEN and NYG are going to be tough. If the defense does not get better the Manning brothers may shred it. I have no faith in Cam to be able to win a shoot out against either team. The team absolutely has to win the Oak, Wash and Pitt Home games or it is going to be a battle for the wild card. Before the season I predicted 9-7 with the Ravens battling the Steelers for a wild card spot behind the Bengals. I thought the losses would be Hou, NWE, Pitt, Cincy, Philly, SD, NYG

**middleriverterp** · 11-05-2012, 09:02 AM

Are we so spoiled now that a divisional win on the road against an improving team is not something to celebrate. The Ravens profess to having the best fans in the NFL, but what happens when we finally hit the skids (and it will happen, the league is cyclical)? Will the fans stop coming to M&T? I mean, we have been to the playoffs the last 4 years (with a great chance this year baring a collapse) and 2 AFC championship appearances.

**moose10101** · 11-05-2012, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by alienrace

I think a lot of people are overlooking that the Ravens defense played much better against the Browns then they did in their first meeting(at home even). The pass rush was dismal in the first half, but the team is making adjustments, and tightening things up.

No, I don't think we are. If the defense hadn't played well with the Browns being given great field position time after time, it would have been ugly.

Originally Posted by alienrace

People also forget that the supposed mighty, unbeatable Chargers team, only scored 6 points the week before against these same Browns. So we are this horrible team, that can't score, yet we put up 25 against them? Won by 10 on the road?

I believe that's the first time I've seen a 4-4 team called 'unbeatable".

The issue here isn't that the offense didn't score 40 points. It's that they displayed complete ineptitude for 30 straight minutes. I'm still trying to figure out how the defense didn't collapse from exhaustion. I don't care that they were on the road, they can't have long stretches like that and get away with it against the good teams.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 11-05-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by goldenelite28

I think it's kind of ridiculous that people can be so negative about a sports team and yet they continue to watch and talk about them.

If I'm reading a book and it sucks I simply put it down and read something else. Same goes for movies, tv shows, games, etc. I've never went on a bad roller coaster and then immediately jumped back in line for another ride.
Why torture yourself if we are going to go 2-6 the rest of the way?

Preach.

It's one thing to be disappointed in our play and discuss ways that we as fans would try and improve the team. The team isn't giving everybody a lot of confidence...I get that.

But to see some of these posters throwing in the white towel like this is pretty gross IMHO.

It's like a race to see who can be the first overly pessimistic fan who can brag about being able to say "I told you so" as soon as the team loses.

**LukeDaniel** · 11-05-2012, 09:25 AM

There is as much evidence right now to suggest we go 8-0 as there is to support the idea that we go 2-6. The Ravens figure to be a favorite, or a small dog, with every game remaining on their schedule.

This Browns team is not bad at all. Put them in the AFC South or AFC West and I'm not sure they aren't 5-4 right now. There are four teams in the AFC (Tenn, Jax, KC, Oak) that are clearly worse than them and a handful of other teams (SD, Indy, Cincy, Buffalo, Miami, NYJ) that are roughly on the same level as them. As much luck as the Ravens have mustered up this year to be 6-2, the Browns have had as much luck against them to wind up at 2-7.