How does this team get to 10 wins?

**Sua Sponte** · 11-10-2012, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by grandraven

Pitt looked horrible early in the year but I knew they would be in the thick of things because even though I despise them they have similar DNA as the ravens. They are winners.

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And their schedule was one of the easiest in the league, look at the rest of their schedule.

**Boulderraven** · 11-10-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I will say this...the Ravens season is somewhat eerily similar to how the Orioles season went for most of the year...they are consistently winning despite almost all the "important stats that are supposed to show how good you are" not being in their favor.

In the end, it doesn't really matter as long as they find ways to win though.

But then the Orioles got great defense on the left side with Machado and Mclouth. Great SP from Gonzalez, Tillman & others. The Orioles trended upward and reversed the run differential.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 11-10-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

But then the Orioles got great defense on the left side with Machado and Mclouth. Great SP from Gonzalez, Tillman & others. The Orioles trended upward and reversed the run differential.

That stuff didn't happen until they were significantly into the second half of the season.

Hopefully the Ravens can do the same during their second half.

**Greg** · 11-10-2012, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

How does this team get to 10 wins?

They don't. Sell your tickets and take hikes on Sundays.

**Ravenboy2003** · 11-10-2012, 08:17 PM

Win tomorrow gets us to 7.

Split with the Steelers = 8

Win @ Washington = 9

Win vs. either Giants or Denver (we aren't losing both of those) = 10

That's what I think.. then you take one more roadie, either San Diego or Cincy.. and I think we'll get to 11.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 11-11-2012, 02:12 AM

The key is to not get swept by the Steelers. If that happens, they lose any real hope of taking the division.
However, looking at the other wild card contenders in the AFC, it looks like 9-7 might be good enough for that 5th or 6th seed. The Colts & Steelers are the only teams that look to be legitimate competition for the wild card.
I don't see the Dolphins and Chargers making it this year.

**JustaslowZ06** · 11-11-2012, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

The key is to not get swept by the Steelers. If that happens, they lose any real hope of taking the division.
However, looking at the other wild card contenders in the AFC, it looks like 9-7 might be good enough for that 5th or 6th seed. The Colts & Steelers are the only teams that look to be legitimate competition for the wild card.
I don't see the Dolphins and Chargers making it this year.

Exactly, if we can split with the Steelers it would have to take a complete collapse not to win the division. We'd be 2 games up AND have the division diebreaker(unless we were to lose to Cinnci and depending on what they do with the Browns), than we still have AFC and Common opponents tiebreakers.

**Quackjack** · 11-11-2012, 10:31 AM

Split with Steel-City: 7
Win @ San Diego: 8
Win today: 9
Atleast 2 with Broncos, Giants, @ Washington & @ Cincy: 11

Who wins the division then if Steelers-Ravens tie at 11 and they split???

**Tyrian** · 11-11-2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Quackjack

Split with Steel-City: 7
Win @ San Diego: 8
Win today: 9
Atleast 2 with Broncos, Giants, @ Washington & @ Cincy: 11

Who wins the division then if Steelers-Ravens tie at 11 and they split???

Depends entirely to whom the Steelers lose to and the Ravens lose two more (an extra loss for each after the split).

The Steelers are 2-3 in the conf and the Ravens 5-1 so far. Ravens 3-0 in the div, Steelers 1-0. Assuming both sweep Ohio (which you'd say is likely), that gives them 5-1 in the div each. 4-2 if they both lose their other remaining away AFC North game - at CLE for Pit, at CIN for Bal. If one lose it and the other doesn't, say Pit slips at Cle and the Ravens beat the Bengals, then the Ravens win on division tiebreaker.

After that, common games - the only games not in common between the two are Patriots/Texans; Titans/Jets - of which both are 1-1 in those, anyway. So a dead tie would likely tie that as well.

Next is conference. The other game that Pittsburgh might lose is at Dallas, so they'd be 8-4 in the conf at the end. (The rest is fairly easy for them. Maybe a sleeper at Cleveland as it splits the Ravens games instead? That'd take them to 7-5 with a full sweep of NFC, but for it to boil down to AFC, the Ravens would need to lose at Cincy as well).

Split for the Ravens takes them to 6-2 to the conference. Win over Oakland today makes it 7-2. We also assume the Ravens beat Bengals so they'd be 8-2. A further win over the Chargers or Broncos would thus seal AFC conference tiebreaker in that scenario if they both go 11-5. If it's 7-5 tie with a Steelers loss at Cle instead of at Dal, then that would also assume a Ravens loss to Cincy to even out divisional tiebreaker. So, that'd mean the Ravens would be at 6-3 (remember Steelers/Ravens split adds 1 to each): so two wins out of three over Broncos, Chargers and/or Raiders would do the job.

There's probably some AFC tie scenario at 10-6, but too far out to really bother with that.

Next is strength of victory - too far out for that to be determined yet (bear in mind that the Steelers currently have a lead of .429 to .320 - but the Ravens schedule is also much tougher on the road ahead, so that could be close). Steelers also hold a SoS edge of Bmore so far, but given that the Ravens have played Pats and Texans, you'd think they'd win that in the end if it came down to it.

All in all, the Ravens probably hold a slight tiebreaker edge at the moment, but there's a *long* way to go yet. Anyway, waffle over.

**Corey** · 11-11-2012, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrian

Depends entirely to whom the Steelers lose to and the Ravens lose two more (an extra loss for each after the split).

The Steelers are 2-3 in the conf and the Ravens 5-1 so far. Ravens 3-0 in the div, Steelers 1-0. Assuming both sweep Ohio (which you'd say is likely), that gives them 5-1 in the div each. 4-2 if they both lose their other remaining away AFC North game - at CLE for Pit, at CIN for Bal. If one lose it and the other doesn't, say Pit slips at Cle and the Ravens beat the Bengals, then the Ravens win on division tiebreaker.

After that, common games - the only games not in common between the two are Patriots/Texans; Titans/Jets - of which both are 1-1 in those, anyway. So a dead tie would likely tie that as well.

Next is conference. The other game that Pittsburgh might lose is at Dallas, so they'd be 8-4 in the conf at the end. (The rest is fairly easy for them. Maybe a sleeper at Cleveland as it splits the Ravens games instead? That'd take them to 7-5 with a full sweep of NFC, but for it to boil down to AFC, the Ravens would need to lose at Cincy as well).

Split for the Ravens takes them to 6-2 to the conference. Win over Oakland today makes it 7-2. We also assume the Ravens beat Bengals so they'd be 8-2. A further win over the Chargers or Broncos would thus seal AFC conference tiebreaker in that scenario if they both go 11-5. If it's 7-5 tie with a Steelers loss at Cle instead of at Dal, then that would also assume a Ravens loss to Cincy to even out divisional tiebreaker. So, that'd mean the Ravens would be at 6-3 (remember Steelers/Ravens split adds 1 to each): so two wins out of three over Broncos, Chargers and/or Raiders would do the job.

There's probably some AFC tie scenario at 10-6, but too far out to really bother with that.

Next is strength of victory - too far out for that to be determined yet (bear in mind that the Steelers currently have a lead of .429 to .320 - but the Ravens schedule is also much tougher on the road ahead, so that could be close). Steelers also hold a SoS edge of Bmore so far, but given that the Ravens have played Pats and Texans, you'd think they'd win that in the end if it came down to it.

All in all, the Ravens probably hold a slight tiebreaker edge at the moment, but there's a *long* way to go yet. Anyway, waffle over.

Your analysis of all the possible tiebreakers is great. You really did a good job but the bottom line right now is the Ravens have one up on Pittsburgh. WIN and none of that other stuff matters. It's as simple as that right now. In 2 or 3 weeks or by the end of the season the tiebreakers might matter.

**Jsmoove** · 11-11-2012, 11:36 AM

Man i just looked at the remainder of the schedule and we have a tough fuckin schedule hands down. We make it to the playoffs based on what we have as talent on defense, that below average Oline and inept coaching staff, i call it a win season...shit! We gotta tough got damn schedule l!

**lobachevsky** · 11-11-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Americanmade2012

He/she may be right about the wins and losses of certain teams but I do not know how a ravens fan can think/hope for the worse because I am sure if we win out(just an example) this person would come back and never admit they said it thats me though

I for one don't know how anyone (ravens fan or otherwise) who can operate a PC can be so STUPID as to read my original post & think I am thinking/hoping for the worst for this team. But thanks for playing, I guess.

**leachisabeast** · 11-11-2012, 01:33 PM

Looks like we're winning another one here, so only 3 more required after this one.

**Ravens75** · 11-11-2012, 01:51 PM

They will win 12 games. Remember after today the Ravens have 4 home games left.

BTW, Joe Flacco to Donovan McNabb 'Tell me how my ass taste'

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-11-2012, 02:03 PM

Giants are looking pretty average; Eli hasn't thrown a TD pass in 10 quarters, plus we also still have the Skins on the schedule.

**Ravens75** · 11-11-2012, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Giants are looking pretty average; Eli hasn't thrown a TD pass in 10 quarters, plus we also still have the Skins on the schedule.

Remaining schedule:

Home:
Stillers
Slurs
Denver
Gents

Away:
Inbreeds
SD
Cincy(packing up for the off season)

The toughest remaining game is Denver but that's at home. You're right about the Gents but they normally look like shit in November and then turn it on December just to get in the playoffs. I hate how do that and then win it all but what can I say.

**ActualSpamBot** · 11-11-2012, 02:12 PM

Skins is away. I know there'll be plenty of purple, but at best it'll be a neutral field.

**Ravens75** · 11-11-2012, 02:17 PM

I am wondering how good the Steelers really are. The Giants are getting destroyed by an ordinary Bengals team yet this same team had a comfortable 20-10 lead against a Steelers team that couldn't do anything until Mike Wallace's huge play.

Yes they were home to the Steelers and on the road today but still is everyone giving the Steelers too much credit.

**Ravens75** · 11-11-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

Skins is away. I know there'll be plenty of purple, but at best it'll be a neutral field.

Slurs is away but talking and listening to many of their fans seats are going to be easy to get. Look for up to 30K Ravens if not more. They do this every year so I am confident that they will continue to give up on lost seasons.