Dean Pees -- Props or Blame?

**ravensnhokies** · 11-05-2012, 12:24 PM

I feel like Harbs and his whole staff are Bo Schembechler disciples. Solid fundamentally-sound football, but nothing too creative. Its a proven winning formula but a little too vanilla to win the big game (as a Raven fan, hopefully I'm wrong)

**Boulderraven** · 11-05-2012, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

I may be in the minority but Pees gets no love from me with a 28th rank defense.

Actually past 2 games defense has looked better. He hasnt had a full compliment of players either. Ngata hurt, Mcphee hurt, Suggs hurt, Upshaw hurt and Kemo terrible and Cody not so great. Looks like the Defense is slowly getting better, IMO. Most of that ranking is from a few early games. I dont think they miss Ray as much as people think.

**JustaslowZ06** · 11-05-2012, 12:35 PM

I didn't want him before his hire, and still don't like it. Blame, period. Wow our D didn't give up a TD! So freaking what? It was against one of the worst teams in the league at redzone scoring.

We've gotten abused and ransaked on our D coaches over the years and now it's finally biting us. the unfortunate thing, I bet he gets a pass for next year if they give Cam the boot. Teams NEVER do a complete overhaul unless it's from the HC down. So unfortunatly, unless he gets a HC job offer(will never happen) we're stuck with him next year. Better go get some better players.

**JustaslowZ06** · 11-05-2012, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Actually past 2 games defense has looked better. He hasnt had a full compliment of players either. Ngata hurt, Mcphee hurt, Suggs hurt, Upshaw hurt and Kemo terrible and Cody not so great. Looks like the Defense is slowly getting better, IMO. Most of that ranking is from a few early games. I dont think they miss Ray as much as people think.

The D looked good against Houton? Really? maybe I'm in a seperate dimension but pretty sure they ripped our D apart.

**Rxdoxx** · 11-05-2012, 01:14 PM

Add in that there was also a rookie QB that Reed could get into his head, the D wouldn't have looked "getting better" against a pink tutu, or a Manning....

I'd also like to see some elements of organized chaos, at least a sniff of it.

One thing I'd dream about is Sizzle coming ove the C. I perked up every time I saw Redding move there last year, and saw him penetrate more often than not.
We have edge players, seasoned while Sizzle was PUP'd.
When we move out a DL, I'd love to see Sizzle last minute shift to over the C, I'd bet we see a yellow holding flag very fast the first time we did it.

**srobert96** · 11-05-2012, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

I feel like Harbs and his whole staff are Bo Schembechler disciples. Solid fundamentally-sound football, but nothing too creative. Its a proven winning formula but a little too vanilla to win the big game (as a Raven fan, hopefully I'm wrong)

This is a great description. That works when you can out athlete your opponent but does not work in the NFL. That is exactly the feel I get from the Harbaugh teams. Ultra conservative on offense and Defense. His best teams were when he had DCs that were not ultra conservative. Rex and Pagano vs Mattison and Pees.

**BcRaven** · 11-05-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I didn't want him before his hire, and still don't like it. Blame, period. Wow our D didn't give up a TD! So freaking what? It was against one of the worst teams in the league at redzone scoring...

While I agree with you in general, let's not be so hard on the D (Pees) this past Sunday. Holding the Browns to 5 FGs while our offense fell asleep is a strong job IMO.
If one or two of their FGs had turned into a TD, we might be singing a different tune today... Bc

**NOLARavenFAN** · 11-05-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

While I agree with you in general, let's not be so hard on the D (Pees) this past Sunday. Holding the Browns to 5 FGs while our offense fell asleep is a strong job IMO.
If one or two of their FGs had turned into a TD, we might be singing a different tune today... Bc

They were gonna beat us till we figured that QB out....

**Lee Van Cleef** · 11-05-2012, 02:20 PM

Why would we blame him? We're 6-2. Nothing to criticise the D for!

**Section 502 Raven** · 11-05-2012, 03:22 PM

i have nothing against Pees but i wish we would have picked up Mike Nolan. i thought Nolan was the MVP(C) in 2003 after the post super bowl salary purge. Nolan, as a defensive coordinator, has done well wherever he has gone. i'm not sure why has moved from denver to miami to atlanta.

**steelerhater** · 11-05-2012, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by NOLARavenFAN

I thought Pees out-schemed the Browns in the second half.....without the defensive adjustments we were going to lose that game. Nice job coach DP.

Personally, I think the Browns offensive coordinator did us a lot of favors yesterday. On the first drive, they tried to throw on 3rd and 1 even though they were running well. There were a few other times that I was scratching my head about the play calls.

**Ravens27Girl** · 11-05-2012, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

I may be in the minority but Pees gets no love from me with a 28th rank defense.

Agree 100%! I don't think your opinion will be in the minority. Our defense under his leadership SUCKS this year. Yeah, we could blame it on some of the personnel issues (injuries, inadequacies) but IMHO he's just not that good as a DC and I've been posting all season of my disdain for him. If he was so great, he'd still be in New England. Our guys thrived under Pagano and that's the type of guy we need again.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-05-2012, 05:32 PM

I'm not sure what the options are at this stage. Some folks wanted Clarence Brooks to get the job but he's coaching the DLine and they're the biggest problem. I'm hoping they can make some mid year adjustments

**DrUnk** · 11-05-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef

Why would we blame him? We're 6-2. Nothing to criticise the D for!

Have you watched a game? My slow, white, fatass could run roughshod over this defense.

**lovefootball** · 11-05-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by DrUnk

Have you watched a game? My slow, white, fatass could run roughshod over this defense.

LOL, but I would have to see it to believe it. Defense needs to get together and Pees is slowly realizing it. No Tds is something that the Ravens of years ago thrived on.Yesterday could have been brutal if Tds were made. Ask the giants, settling for Tds against decent teams helps you lose. 6-2 is where we want to be and let the games get played out, I'll bet many will be surprised by the end of the season. Ravens can be awesome, if they play for the whole game with what they did in the first quarter yesterday. I'll just wait and see how Pees does in the rest of the season.

**houstonravensfan** · 11-05-2012, 09:11 PM

To be fair to Pees:
JJ, Redding, Ray, and Webb, (and other depth players) gone.

BUT, someone must be held accountable for the regression/lack of development of Cody, Cary W, Jimmy S, Kruger, McPhee, Art J, need I go on?

A lot of you guys follow the team more closely than I am able to, so I'd value your input: are we drafting the wrong players or are our coaches not developing them?

**Ravenous1** · 11-05-2012, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by houstonravensfan

To be fair to Pees:
JJ, Redding, Ray, and Webb, (and other depth players) gone.

BUT, someone must be held accountable for the regression/lack of development of Cody, Cary W, Jimmy S, Kruger, McPhee, Art J, need I go on?

A lot of you guys follow the team more closely than I am able to, so I'd value your input: are we drafting the wrong players or are our coaches not developing them?

Little early to lump Jimmy Smith in with those guys considering the amount of time he has spent on the field. He showed some improvement in my opinion. Made some mistakes but was better.

The rest of that bunch Cody, Kruger, McPhee, Art J etc.... that is a combination of factors in my opinion. These guys are role players IMO being asked to do to much cause of losses to FA, injuries etc. That said, its also true you should expect to get more out of 2nd round picks in Cody and Kruger than role players but thats exactly what they are.

**GaTechRavens** · 11-06-2012, 02:18 AM

Come on guys, they're not really a bottom 5 defense. I don't know when yardage rankings turned into definitive assessments, but it's pretty annoying. Was the 2000 Ravens defense worse than Tennessee's because they allowed more yards? Of course not, but if we're going to act like we are with this defense we'd be calling them that. This defense has done much better in points and turnovers than yardage. Shouldn't that count for something?

**Sua Sponte** · 11-06-2012, 09:33 AM

More yards leads to to more opportunities and takes away from Offensive time of possession. Not saying yardage is everything because when your crushing teams and the D is good like last year, they always give up 80-100 yards in playing prevent when the game is already over. In this situation it is an issue because we are not blowing teams away with this stagnant O. The D is allowing a lot of yards when games are close and that is an issue.

P.S: Pees sucks.

**eddiepoe** · 11-10-2012, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

NOLA you are right, but at the same time where is the creativity? When Del rio had the jags yea they were a bad team but their defense was pretty solid, he had lemons and squeezed alot out of nothing. there's no creativity, no aggressive nature, no stunts, no confusion just a plain scheme, its eerily similar to mattisons defense.

I agree.