So what exactly has this organization/coaching staff done in order to improve this offense?

[alienrace]

Receivers? Our receiving corps is among the best in the league. The real problem is offensive line, and scheme.

However, I don't measure the offense being better by stats alone, or really much at all. Stats are well, for losers. Too many teams put up huge stats and have poor records. Why is this? Because a lot of times big numbers are put up when teams are playing catchup when playing from way behind. It skews everything.

No, what I personally measure the offense with, is it's ability to come through in the clutch. If you use that metric, the offense has improved by some margin. The Ravens, by all means should be 7-1 right now(we won that Philly game only to have a BS call take it away). The offense this year has, with the exception of one game, been winning games for us all year. That's not to say the defense hasn't come through on occasion, but it's primarily because of the offense that we are 6-2(7-1) right now.

There has been a progression, IMO from 2008 till now. I think each year it got a bit better in coming through in the clutch.

However....I don't think Cam deserves much of the credit. I'm finally in the camp that he has to go, that he is holding things back. This is more of a testament to the skill players, Flacco, Rice, Boldin, Smith, Pitta, and Leach. The offensive line is terrible, among the worst in the league. That's not Cam's fault, but Ozzie's. But, Cam does need to go. There is no excuse for these receivers not getting separation. They have the talent and speed. There's no excuse for the running game being so predictable. Changes have to be made in coaching before any of it improves.

The talent, with the exception of the line, is there for this offense to be one of the best in the NFL. Hell, we've seen flashes of it this year. The problem is consistency, and coming up with a plan on the road that deals with communication.

I will say this though - we were all, myself including complaining about the offense last week - an offense that put up 25 points on the road in a victory. It's not like we scored 6 points or something and lost 7-6 like the Chargers the week before against that same Browns team. So we do need some perspective here, and not worry about "rankings and stats" so much. Focus on how the offense responds to adversity. With the exception of the Texans game, and maybe the Chiefs game, the offense has done it's job quite well in taking control and scoring when it needed to.

[wickedsolo]

I disagree that the Ravens have a top notch receiving unit.

Torrey is a very good player and only going to get better, but there are several teams that have a better receiving unit. Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Lions, Packers, Bears, Bengals, Steelers, Falcons, Saints, Cards...

[leachisabeast]

I disagree that the Ravens have a top notch receiving unit.

Torrey is a very good player and only going to get better, but there are several teams that have a better receiving unit. Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Lions, Packers, Bears, Bengals, Steelers, Falcons, Saints, Cards...

I don't see how the Bengals, Steelers, and the Cardinals, have a better receiving unit than us. The Bengals have AJ Green and that's it, the Steelers have probably the same as us, and the Cardinals only really have Fitzgerald. We don't have that one true elite receiver, but we have a number of quality receivers that overlap a lot of teams even if they have that one receiver who out matches all of our receivers as an individual player.

We are in the top 10 IMO talent wise, the scheme is just horrendous.

[alienrace]

I don't see how the Bengals, Steelers, and the Cardinals, have a better receiving unit than us. The Bengals have AJ Green and that's it, the Steelers have probably the same as us, and the Cardinals only really have Fitzgerald. We don't have that one true elite receiver, but we have a number of quality receivers that overlap a lot of teams even if they have that one receiver who out matches all of our receivers as an individual player.

We are in the top 10 IMO talent wise, the scheme is just horrendous.

I'd add the Cowboys and and Giants too. The Boy's have the very overated Miles Austin, and the inconsistent, if not juvenile Dez Bryant. The Giants have Cruz and Nicks, but they aren't all that IMO. Scheme makes them more than anything. Not sure about the Eagles either. Jackson has been a ghost, and MacLin hasn't been consistent.

[Captain Silver]

I don't see how the Bengals, Steelers, and the Cardinals, have a better receiving unit than us. The Bengals have AJ Green and that's it, the Steelers have probably the same as us, and the Cardinals only really have Fitzgerald. We don't have that one true elite receiver, but we have a number of quality receivers that overlap a lot of teams even if they have that one receiver who out matches all of our receivers as an individual player.

We are in the top 10 IMO talent wise, the scheme is just horrendous.

Dude, really? I'd take the Steelers receiving corp in a heartbeat.

[Sirdowski]

Dude, really? I'd take the Steelers receiving corp in a heartbeat.

+1. Emanuel Sander would be our #2 possibly fighting for #1.



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[leachisabeast]

Dude, really? I'd take the Steelers receiving corp in a heartbeat.

Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Heath Miller, Emmanuel Sanders

Torrey Smith, AnQuan Boldin, Dennis Pitta, Jacoby Jones

That IMO is pretty equal. Torrey Smith IMO has played just as well as Wallace has so far into the season.

Torrey Smith has been targeted 56 times this yearand has caught 51.6 % of those passes (many of them have been deep shots, with Flacco being off and quite a few of them), he has 4 drops so far on the year which is down from his rookie year. Smith has 503 yards on the year, 17.3 YPC, 138 yards after the catch, and 5 TD's

Mike Wallace has been targeted 62 times and has caught 62.9 % of those passes, but hasn't been targeted all that often deep down field, as Todd Hailey likes short passes more than Bruce Arians did while he was in Pittsburgh. Roethlisberger has also been very very accurate this year, even more so than recent years past. Wallace has 525 yards on the year, 13.5 YPC average, 201 yards after the catch, 5 TD's, a fumble.

It can be easily argued that Wallace benefits from a better passing scheme than what Torrey Smith has to work with, and the fact that he has a better QB throwing him the ball. I can get you the stats comparing Boldin to Antonio Brown, but I can tell you that they are pretty equal so far, with Boldin looking slightly statistically better. Jacoby Jones looks slightly worse than Sanders statistically, but has ZERO drops where as Sanders has 2 drops so far. Dennis Pitta has had a solid year (albeit being a little quiet through the last few games), and hasn't been as good as Heath Miller, but he isn't far off.

All in all I'd probably say Pittsburgh slightly edge us, but it's no where near the distance that you are implying. It is very possible that our receiving corp could look even better than the Steelers if we had Todd Hailey calling the plays, and Roethlisberger playing QB.

[Captain Silver]

All in all I'd probably say Pittsburgh slightly edge us, but it's no where near the distance that you are implying. It is very possible that our receiving corp could look even better than the Steelers if we had Todd Hailey calling the plays, and Roethlisberger playing QB.

I'll give you that, but they are also victimized on the o-line struggles and running back injuries. They're wide receivers are as affected by that as we are by our shitty offensive coordinator.

[leachisabeast]

+1. Emanuel Sander would be our #2 possibly fighting for #1.



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No he wouldn't. Both Boldin and Smith are just better than Sanders, I don't understand the under appreciation over Smith and especially Boldin, they have been very good this year, playing under a very restrictive and uncreative offensive system.

[leachisabeast]

I'll give you that, but they are also victimized on the o-line struggles and running back injuries. They're wide receivers are as affected by that as we are by our shitty offensive coordinator.

Actually their Oline has been better than ours as a run blocking unit so far this year, in pass pro they are slightly below us, but not by that much. They don't have Ray Rice, but their running game has been more effective than ours this year because of the way Hailey runs his system.

[Captain Silver]

Actually their Oline has been better than ours as a run blocking unit so far this year, in pass pro they are slightly below us, but not by that much. They don't have Ray Rice, but their running game has been more effective than ours this year because of the way Hailey runs his system.

According to this website that tracks O-line performance, we are #2 at run and 19th at pass. The Steelers are 22nd at the run and 21st at pass. So I say they do more with less.

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[leachisabeast]

According to this website that tracks O-line performance, we are #2 at run and 19th at pass. The Steelers are 22nd at the run and 21st at pass. So I say they do more with less.

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Maybe I was wrong about the run blocking part of it, but recently it seems that Pittsburgh have done a better job running the ball than us. In pass pro I stand correctly that they are only just below us.

[Captain Silver]

Maybe I was wrong about the run blocking part of it, but recently it seems that Pittsburgh have done a better job running the ball than us. In pass pro I stand correctly that they are only just below us.

I was shocked we were #2 at the run. I agree, as of late, the Steelers seem to run better. But they have had shit for an O-Line for years, even won a Super Bowl with one and a lot of that has to do with the receivers who can book and better offensive coordination and to some degree, raw talent from Ben on avoiding sacks.

If Joe could do a little better in pocket awareness and being elusive, it might hide more of the offense's shortcomings. Of course Cam would get the game ball from Harbaugh....

[steelerhater]

Actually their Oline has been better than ours as a run blocking unit so far this year, in pass pro they are slightly below us, but not by that much. They don't have Ray Rice, but their running game has been more effective than ours this year because of the way Hailey runs his system.

You're a steeler's fan. We've figured you out.

[steelerhater]

I was shocked we were #2 at the run. I agree, as of late, the Steelers seem to run better. But they have had shit for an O-Line for years, even won a Super Bowl with one and a lot of that has to do with the receivers who can book and better offensive coordination and to some degree, raw talent from Ben on avoiding sacks.

If Joe could do a little better in pocket awareness and being elusive, it might hide more of the offense's shortcomings. Of course Cam would get the game ball from Harbaugh....

See, that's where everyone is wrong. Steelers are supposed to have a shit offensive line, but they run well and Ben has plenty of time. I get excited to hear about how bad their line is, then I watch their games and see otherwise.

[leachisabeast]

See, that's where everyone is wrong. Steelers are supposed to have a shit offensive line, but they run well and Ben has plenty of time. I get excited to hear about how bad their line is, then I watch their games and see otherwise.

Their Oline has been decent at run blocking in the last few games, but they are still awful in pass pro, it's only because Jen is so good at avoiding sacks, and the fact that they mass protect and literally surround mr all pro Mike Adams with tight ends to help him out.

Jen never has "plenty of time" either, he is getting passes out a lot quicker this year with better designed schemes and a more dump off passing game than the Steelers have been used to running in the past, and when he doesn't have anyone to throw to, you can see that he is being chased down by at least 3 defenders.