Election Day 2012 Thread

**wickedsolo** · 11-07-2012, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I agree if they a adopt a more Libertarian approach, they'd be better served.

I don't agree however the Tea Party had anything to do with this loss. The Tea Party is essentially Libertarian in many ways. Texas just elected a strong Tea Party backer in Ted Cruz based on Libertarian ideals of less Government intrusion, lower taxes, less regulation, etc were mantras in his campaign. He'd fair on the national stage but the GOP good ole' boys may get in the way.

Mitt ran a downright horrible campaign. He had every opportunity to frame Obama and, aside from one good debate performance, failed miserably at framing the debate. He stood back and did nothing as events he should have seized on -- Libya, unemployment numbers, etc -- came and went without barely a word.

While Tea Partiers definitely have some libertarian traits, the problem is that the political members who many would (or could) consider the "face" of the Tea Party are wayyyyy too invested in religion and all of the things that come along with religion being included in one's politics.

You're right though. Mitt did run a bad campaign. There were several things that he could have called Obama on. He just flat out didn't. Not sure who was running his campaign, but they didn't do a very good job either. Like you said, other than the one debate, he didn't do anything while Obama's camp went straight after all of the things that could cast doubt onto Mitt (finances, taxes, etc).

**ActualSpamBot** · 11-07-2012, 06:46 AM

I think we're having a communication break down on the Tea Party label.

To me, and many people my age, Tea Party doesn't mean Libertarian. It mean anti-gay, birther, religious right. When forced to choose between voting for our economic beliefs and our morals, young voters go heart more than head. Maybe the Tea Party itself did a poor job defining itself, but to me, the Libertarian party is where to go for true small government values, and the Tea Party is where to go for lip service, followed by a discussion of why the government has a vested interest in what happens in my girlfriend's uterus or my gay neighbors' bedroom.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-07-2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

I think we're having a communication break down on the Tea Party label.

To me, and many people my age, Tea Party doesn't mean Libertarian. It mean anti-gay, birther, religious right. When forced to choose between voting for our economic beliefs and our morals, young voters go heart more than head. Maybe the Tea Party itself did a poor job defining itself, but to me, the Libertarian party is where to go for true small government values, and the Tea Party is where to go for lip service, followed by a discussion of why the government has a vested interest in what happens in my girlfriend's uterus or my gay neighbors' bedroom.

Each political party / group has their loud nut jobs that are not representative of the groups ideals as a whole. Tea Party is no different.

But I think you hit the nail on the head about getting the message out. They don't do a very good job of it not do they distance themselves from the idiots who trade on their name.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-07-2012, 07:07 AM

Pretty funny line from Twitter ...

Millions of Republicans can now wake up and stop pretending they like Mitt Romney.

**wickedsolo** · 11-07-2012, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Pretty funny line from Twitter ...

Millions of Republicans can now wake up and stop pretending they like Mitt Romney.

**NCRAVEN** · 11-07-2012, 08:20 AM

Just heard a great point to the question, why did Romney lose?

"Romney set out to win an election and not an argument"

So true.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-07-2012, 08:37 AM

Because of what I do for a living (when I am not ruining message boards) I hold certifications in deception detection, neurolinguistics and in body language.

The press may be praising Mitt with his concession speech but I most certainly am not. When he said he will pray for Obama to be successful, he was seething underneath and completely disingenuous.

Take a look at his face and head as he says that line. Hs mouth is smiling and but the eyes are "dead", meaning if you covered up his mouth and just looked as his face from the nose up, you would never be ale to figure out which emotion he was feeling. People smile and are genuine with their eyes first, mouth second. If he had one iota of sincerity there, you'd see it in his eyes.

Furthermore, he turns his head down and to his right right after he says it. That's a very condescending move, kind of like when your boss gives you that warning but underneath is thinking what a dumb ass you are.

**NCRAVEN** · 11-07-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Because of what I do for a living (when I am not ruining message boards) I hold certifications in deception detection, neurolinguistics and in body language.

The press may be praising Mitt with his concession speech but I most certainly am not. When he said he will pray for Obama to be successful, he was seething underneath and completely disingenuous.

Take a look at his face and head as he says that line. Hs mouth is smiling and but the eyes are "dead", meaning if you covered up his mouth and just looked as his face from the nose up, you would never be ale to figure out which emotion he was feeling. People smile and are genuine with their eyes first, mouth second. If he had one iota of sincerity there, you'd see it in his eyes.

Furthermore, he turns his head down and to his right right after he says it. That's a very condescending move, kind of like when your boss gives you that warning but underneath is thinking what a dumb ass you are.

So you're saying Mitt thinks Obama is a dumb ass?

**HoustonRaven** · 11-07-2012, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

So you're saying Mitt thinks Obama is a dumb ass?

Not going to go that far, but, IMO, he definitely feels disdain for him.

**NCRAVEN** · 11-07-2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Not going to go that far, but, IMO, he definitely feels disdain for him.

Can't blame him for the outright character assassination they did on him.

But as you and I said in July, Mitt should have countered he ran the risk of being defined by Obama and he was...

**AirFlacco** · 11-07-2012, 09:00 AM

At least Mitt tried to be a Christian dead eyes and all. Carter's was said to cry when he was told on the eve of the election
he couldn't win. Mitt's eyes had to be tired and he was upset and disappointed after a long hard fought campaign he almost
won. It took a great comeback and a hurricane for him to lose it so anyone's eyes would have been like that.

BTW, stocks plunged 1% in the wake of the re-election in the Divided States of America. Looks like Wall Street is on
suicide watch now and that's bad for everyone's pocket books.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49725783

**Ivalice** · 11-07-2012, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

At least Mitt tried to be a Christian dead eyes and all. Carter's was said to cry when he was told on the eve of the election
he couldn't win. Mitt's eyes had to be tired and he was upset and disappointed after a long hard fought campaign he almost
won. It took a great comeback and a hurricane for him to lose it so anyone's eyes would have been like that.

BTW, stocks plunged 1% in the wake of the re-election in the Divided States of America. Looks like Wall Street is on
suicide watch now and that's bad for everyone's pocket books.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49725783

Maybe God timed that hurricane perfectly so Obama would win. Thank you, Jesus.

**NCRAVEN** · 11-07-2012, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ivalice

Maybe God timed that hurricane perfectly so Obama would win. Thank you, Jesus.

Yes. God killed 120 Americans for Obama. You stay classy, Ivalice.

**AirFlacco** · 11-07-2012, 09:09 AM

I'M SO GLAD WE HAD THAT STORM LAST WEEK.

CHRIS MATHEWS, MSNBC

And people get upset with me for saying OBY. LOL

And, he got his revenge. He told everyone to vote for revenge. At least Mitt acted like the Christian.

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/11/07...st-stand-tall/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...last_week.html

**NCCRavensFan** · 11-07-2012, 09:18 AM

The stock market plunge has more to do with the "Fiscal Cliff" that is looming at the start of January. Once a deal is made (and we should all pray a deal is made regardless of political leaning) the markets should stabilize. No matter who was elected, this was going to be dealt with by the 112th congress, so hopefully congress finally gets to work.

The reason the markets are so skittish over this is that we're talking about automatic budget cuts and taxes that will remove 5-6% of National GDP which is a BFD.

**AirFlacco** · 11-07-2012, 09:22 AM

Yea, but you'd think the re-election would have saved it from plunging.

Wall St acts on stuff like that, especially something as emotional and big like that, anything emotional.
Not even the Chosen One could save people from losing money today. Let's see if he does in January
but don't forget his class warfare. The people want it.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-07-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by NCCRavensFan

The stock market plunge has more to do with the "Fiscal Cliff" that is looming at the start of January. Once a deal is made (and we should all pray a deal is made regardless of political leaning) the markets should stabilize. No matter who was elected, this was going to be dealt with by the 112th congress, so hopefully congress finally gets to work.

The reason the markets are so skittish over this is that we're talking about automatic budget cuts and taxes that will remove 5-6% of National GDP which is a BFD.

Agree to a point.

People are also concerned about where to put their money, thanks to $16 Trillion in debt with only $15 Trillion in circulation. That's far more of an issue than next years budget.

**NCRAVEN** · 11-07-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Agree to a point.

People are also concerned about where to put their money, thanks to $16 Trillion in debt with only $15 Trillion in circulation. That's far more of an issue than next years budget.

Yup. And today the dollar is falling. Thanks QE1, QE2 and QE xInfiniti

**jonboy79** · 11-07-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Agree to a point.

People are also concerned about where to put their money, thanks to $16 Trillion in debt with only $15 Trillion in circulation. That's far more of an issue than next years budget.

Don't worry, there will be $20-30m in circulation before too long...

yes that was sarcasm. Hyper-inflation is coming...

This is a sad day for America.

**Sirdowski** · 11-07-2012, 10:11 AM

These aren't going to be easy years for Obama that's for sure. At this rate Carter will have nothing on this guy.

Still very interested to see how he makes the Benghazi incident disappear. David Copperfield?

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