Guns...

**HoustonRaven** · 01-09-2013, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Honestly, it really is at least as much for range use as home defense, (knock on wood, it's ONLY for that). She really enjoys our range days.

I'm a traditionalist when it comes to guns. IMO, unless the gun is going to live in a safe all the time, it's going to be a home defense weapon simply because it's accessible ....

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Speaking with her, I think she's a the point where she wants to find a way to make the Glock work. I know I have personally seen her rack my slide a few times, so i will just make that part of her responsibility a the range for her "turn". I'm goign to double check her technique and make sure she is pushing with her strong hand while pulling with the weak one. It was jsut a point of information the gun store salsman pointed out that made me realize I was letting her shortcut the process. SHe may be small, but she's not feeble and should be able to do it with practice and good technique

The salesman is dead on. Earlier you said she had mastered the Glock but unless she can clear a jam or work the action, she hasn't truly mastered it yet. This is why a recommended a revolver to you. It's good she's decided to learn the action. I had a similar issue with my wife and now she knows what to do.

Originally Posted by jonboy79

As for heading back to the OP, after havng been in a gun store eysterday, and talking with the sales staff, there has absolutely been a SERIOUS run on guns in the past month. Their inventory was far weaker then it was this fall, and their re-supply timeline is very vague. Glock's in particular are difficult for them to replenish, and were claimed to be "out of stock" basically everywhere.

The panic right now is ridiculous. I've been able to find 9mm and .45 but I cannot find bulk .223 right now. I have not been shopping yet for a new weapon but have heard similar stories of empty shelves. It's silly. None of these gun bills have a chance at passing the House and there's an argument to be made they wont pass the Senate either.

**NCRAVEN** · 01-09-2013, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

The panic right now is ridiculous. I've been able to find 9mm and .45 but I cannot find bulk .223 right now. I have not been shopping yet for a new weapon but have heard similar stories of empty shelves. It's silly. None of these gun bills have a chance at passing the House and there's an argument to be made they wont pass the Senate either.

The only good thing about the panic is, I might able to use it as a way to get more guns!

Other than that, it's pretty ridiculous. If Chicago (or Illinois) couldn't pass that bill (last week I believe) there's not much danger of passing anything in the House and Senate.

**jonboy79** · 01-09-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I'm a traditionalist when it comes to guns. IMO, unless the gun is going to live in a safe all the time, it's going to be a home defense weapon simply because it's accessible ....

The salesman is dead on. Earlier you said she had mastered the Glock but unless she can clear a jam or work the action, she hasn't truly mastered it yet. This is why a recommended a revolver to you. It's good she's decided to learn the action. I had a similar issue with my wife and now she knows what to do.

The panic right now is ridiculous. I've been able to find 9mm and .45 but I cannot find bulk .223 right now. I have not been shopping yet for a new weapon but have heard similar stories of empty shelves. It's silly. None of these gun bills have a chance at passing the House and there's an argument to be made they wont pass the Senate either.

agreed, it WILL be a home defense weapon, but as you know, without range practice, I wouldn't even want it in my home. It will live in a biometric safe accessible by either of our fingerprints. Becuase of this, she has to be proficient with more then jsut shooting the gun. So, we will be spending our next range day ensuring she can load a magazine and rack the slide. It's been a few range days since she missed the sillouette, so I'm pretty confident she can hit a target if need be, but my Glock has yet to jam(duh) so I'm nto sure how she would handle that situation. We will be working on that.

I'm with you on the revolver, in a rest position loaded, no springs stressed, etc. 6-8 shots should be fine for every situation, etc. I jsut don't think it's what she wants, which means she will have to prove to me she can fully handle a semi-auto's full operation. She's interested, responsible and practices safe range techniques now, so i think it will jsut be a matter of a day or two of practice. I'm glad the salesman piointed out a flaw in our target practices.

NOt only was firearm selection weak as death, but they had literally ZERO Glock mags... and were even currently out of anything but simple cheap ball rounds in 9mm, and likely .223, but they did have a few AR style rifles in stock, which was surprising to me.

**NCRAVEN** · 01-09-2013, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

NOt only was firearm selection weak as death, but they had literally ZERO Glock mags... and were even currently out of anything but simple cheap ball rounds in 9mm, and likely .223, but they did have a few AR style rifles in stock, which was surprising to me.

It's so bad right now that I went to pick up ammo a few weeks back, they had 1 box of .45 ammo and the guy said he found it hiding in the back of the case.

I want to go to the range this weekend, but, I don't want to be without ammo.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-09-2013, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

It's so bad right now that I went to pick up ammo a few weeks back, they had 1 box of .45 ammo and the guy said he found it hiding in the back of the case.

I want to go to the range this weekend, but, I don't want to be without ammo.

I'm not heading to the range this weekend either. I don't want to burn up my reserves of ammo. I only have 500 rounds of .223 right now and I can go through that in an afternoon.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-09-2013, 06:59 PM

For once, the Daily Kos and I are in total agreement .....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/0...ond-Amendment#

**NCRAVEN** · 01-09-2013, 07:57 PM

Wow. Why can't they think/write like that more often?

**AirFlacco** · 01-09-2013, 09:07 PM

Looks like OBY is gonna use executive order on guns. Didn't think he could do that.

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The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ns_694984.html

**HoustonRaven** · 01-10-2013, 08:46 AM

It's a tactic. Nothing more.

Obama is not dumb. He knows he doesn't have the votes in Congress to enact anything. In order to save face, he enlisted the Veep to run this commission and will issue edicts restricting sales of so-called Assault Weapons and high capacity "clips" as he calls them (I have no idea what a clip is, but whatever). It will get overturned via a court becasue he doesn't have the power. Obama can then whine about how the courts don't care, etc.

It's all designed so Obama can say he's done something all the while the real root of the problem, the person behind the gun, never gets addressed. Again.

**jonboy79** · 01-10-2013, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Looks like OBY is gonna use executive order on guns. Didn't think he could do that.

____________________________________
The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet.
_____________________________________

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ns_694984.html

He wishes he was a dictator. But he's not, as hard as he tris to be.

**JAB1985** · 01-10-2013, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

It's a tactic. Nothing more.

Obama is not dumb. He knows he doesn't have the votes in Congress to enact anything. In order to save face, he enlisted the Veep to run this commission and will issue edicts restricting sales of so-called Assault Weapons and high capacity "clips" as he calls them (I have no idea what a clip is, but whatever). It will get overturned via a court becasue he doesn't have the power. Obama can then whine about how the courts don't care, etc.

It's all designed so Obama can say he's done something all the while the real root of the problem, the person behind the gun, never gets addressed. Again.

I just did a quick google search, as I myself have used clips and magazines universally in the past (im clearly no gun expert) and came up with this...

A magazine is what is used to feed the weapon itself, whereas a clip is used to feed the magazine. Clips make loading of magazines much easier and faster, and in some cases, a clip is required in order for the magazine to work (e.g. M1 Garand).

It is speculated that the confusion and misuse of the terms came about in the world of guns when troops who used the M1 Garand in the US Military started using other firearms and continued to used the term "clip" when referring to what was actually a magazine.

its from a "blog" but seems to make sense.

is it possible due to language that any restriction on "clips" ends up having zero effect on magazines?

**HoustonRaven** · 01-10-2013, 10:23 AM

I made that comment with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, JAB.

It's a common mistake, thanks to Hollywood, that folks who do not know anything about guns make often. Those of us who know the difference make fun of it just as equally often.

**JAB1985** · 01-10-2013, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I made that comment with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, JAB.

It's a common mistake, thanks to Hollywood, that folks who do not know anything about guns make often. Those of us who know the difference make fun of it just as equally often.

sorry, went right over my head as clearly im one who doesnt know.

still begs the question, if the law is written about "clips" which he keeps referring to and arent commonly used anyway, can they really enforce it for "magazines"? Its a technicality but maybe could be beneficial. Also could be taking an action without really intending to do anything. Ive seen a few articles pointing out that his previous "committees" were pretty much put together to pacify the public outcry without actually accomplishing anything. maybe thats wishful thinking on mine and others part.

**jonboy79** · 01-10-2013, 10:32 AM

aaaannnnddd, much ado about not much.

Have a Glock 19 Gen4 on hold until this afternoon, when my wife's waiting period will begin. Trijicon Night Sights ordered...

Thanks for the help guys, i just came back to where I started.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-10-2013, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

still begs the question, if the law is written about "clips" which he keeps referring to and arent commonly used anyway, can they really enforce it for "magazines"? Its a technicality but maybe could be beneficial. Also could be taking an action without really intending to do anything. Ive seen a few articles pointing out that his previous "committees" were pretty much put together to pacify the public outcry without actually accomplishing anything. maybe thats wishful thinking on mine and others part.

Assuming a law makes it's way to the President, it would then depend on how the law is written. Often, there will be a definitions page to the legislation and if they define "clip" to also mean a "magazine" then yes, it can be enforced.

If the President goes the way of EO, he's going to find himself in even larger legal soup.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-10-2013, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

aaaannnnddd, much ado about not much.

Have a Glock 19 Gen4 on hold until this afternoon, when my wife's waiting period will begin. Trijicon Night Sights ordered...

Thanks for the help guys, i just came back to where I started.

Great weapon. My wife and I have both have a 19G4 and it's my primary concealed carry weapon (thanks to my small hands).

**NCRAVEN** · 01-10-2013, 10:44 AM

Kinda off topic but not really. Just some facts about guns and violence...

**jonboy79** · 01-10-2013, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Great weapon. My wife and I have both have a 19G4 and it's my primary concealed carry weapon (thanks to my small hands).

I have a 19G3 on my hip as I type... thanks to the advice from a few months ago.

Upon finding an available Glock semi Locally, I just took the plunge and decided a bit more parctice and technique work will get her where she needs to be. The interchangeability of ammo, clips(lol, magazines) helped as well.. . Unlike last time, in this instance I had my choice of Gen 3 or Gen 4, and that $50 seems well worth it for the extra mag, removeable backstrap and double recoil spring, all of which, SHOULD IMO make it a superior firearm for my wife as compared to my own Gen3. Now I can keep a mag loaded with defensive rounds for each of us, and still have 3 range mags. Being a weapon that will be kept at home, the Trijicons seemed a nice upgrade.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-10-2013, 10:49 AM

Good stuff, NC ....

Pretty much destroys the theory of "Less Guns, Less Crime".

**HoustonRaven** · 01-10-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Upon finding an available Glock semi Locally, I just took the plunge and decided a bit more parctice and technique work will get her where she needs to be. The interchangeability of ammo, clips(lol, magazines) helped as well.. . Unlike last time, in this instance I had my choice of Gen 3 or Gen 4, and that $50 seems well worth it for the extra mag, removeable backstrap and double recoil spring, all of which, SHOULD IMO make it a superior firearm for my wife as compared to my own Gen3. Now I can keep a mag loaded with defensive rounds for each of us, and still have 3 range mags. Being a weapon that will be kept at home, the Trijicons seemed a nice upgrade.

If you want a semiautomatic handgun that will bang every time, nothing beats a Glock.

The double spring in the Gen 4 is what did it for me. Such a smooth action and lesser recoil. I am back on target much faster than with the single spring.