It's The Opponents Job!

**Bazooka Joe** · 11-11-2012, 04:27 PM

I'm reading all of these criticisms about the fake punt for a TD and running up the score and us being classless.

I say WHATEVER! When the Texans handed us our behinds, it was "the Texans and the rest of the AFC." Yes they beat us and we beat the lowly Raiders. Who cares?

We dominated in every phase and when you play Carson Palmer whose arm can change a game quickly you hit the gas until the final second.

So stop with this classless garbage. We whooped booty 55-20.

7-2!

Congrats RAVENS!

**The Excellector** · 11-11-2012, 04:30 PM

Like I said in another thread, that will probably be merged with this one, what dumb ass coach is going to let their team get fooled by that in the playoffs? None.

**Haloti92** · 11-11-2012, 04:32 PM

It was a bit classless, but I didn't mind it as much considering it happened right after some azzclown for Oakland started jawing with Boldin after routinely defending a pass even though he was down 24 points at the time. I was actually wondering if Harbaugh decided to go for it just because of that exchange (but I doubt it).

**Captain Silver** · 11-11-2012, 04:48 PM

I am not juiced we hung 55 on a shitty team at home, but the fact we went for 7 instead of 3 doesn't bother me in the least. If opposing teams don't like it, then stop it, or walk of the field and forfeit the game.

**GOTA** · 11-11-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bazooka Joe

I'm reading all of these criticisms about the fake punt for a TD and running up the score and us being classless.

I say WHATEVER! When the Texans handed us our behinds, it was "the Texans and the rest of the AFC." Yes they beat us and we beat the lowly Raiders. Who cares?

We dominated in every phase and when you play Carson Palmer whose arm can change a game quickly you hit the gas until the final second.

So stop with this classless garbage. We whooped booty 55-20.

7-2!

Congrats RAVENS!

On spot! This is pro football. Every team is paid to score and to stop being scored on. If they can't do it then to damn bad for them

**GaTechRavens** · 11-11-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

I am not juiced we hung 55 on a shitty team at home, but the fact we went for 7 instead of 3 doesn't bother me in the least. If opposing teams don't like it, then stop it, or walk of the field and forfeit the game.

Why shouldn't you be juiced? It's not like Oakland's allowing 55 every game. We still did better against them than any other team did.

**Captain Silver** · 11-11-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

Why shouldn't you be juiced? It's not like Oakland's allowing 55 every game. We still did better against them than any other team did.

I'm happy, but all I am saying is temper it. We aren't 55 points good as Oakland was 55 point that bad today. Plus, Richard Seymour not playing was huge if you are going to attribute Oakland's previous performances.

Hey, they collect a check, played their best, but don't expect shit to look like that when the Steelers come knocking.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-11-2012, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Haloti92

It was a bit classless, but I didn't mind it as much considering it happened right after some azzclown for Oakland started jawing with Boldin after routinely defending a pass even though he was down 24 points at the time. I was actually wondering if Harbaugh decided to go for it just because of that exchange (but I doubt it).

And you've just proved to me why it wasnt classless in the least.

24 points down with 20 minutes of football left is not a lock. They saw something in the Raiders formation and exploited it.

It's what every competent coach should do in the same situation.

**4G63** · 11-11-2012, 05:30 PM

I'm glad they scored 7 instead of kicking the FG....show 'em whats up!

Wonder if anyone will get the reference to my rant in the game thread? ;-)

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-11-2012, 05:55 PM

There was a lot of time left so it was a great play

**Haloti92** · 11-11-2012, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

And you've just proved to me why it wasnt classless in the least.

24 points down with 20 minutes of football left is not a lock. They saw something in the Raiders formation and exploited it.

It's what every competent coach should do in the same situation.

Well, it would have been 27 points had we kicked the FG, but I agree it wasn't quite a "lock."

**BlackSunday** · 11-11-2012, 08:00 PM

Look at it this way - we showed them a weakness in a game they were going to lose anyway. Better to get this error exposed today, than when they're up 17-13 with 5:00 to go in a division game.

We didn't have to expose the flaw in their scheme. Way I figure, they should be thanking us for doing so.

BS

**Corey** · 11-11-2012, 08:48 PM

The Ravens do some trickery with Koch every year. Good teams expect it and don't give them an opportunity to pull that crap. Bad teams fall for it every time.

**MarkS** · 11-11-2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Haloti92

Well, it would have been 27 points had we kicked the FG, but I agree it wasn't quite a "lock."

Especially when you consider that this is the same QB who once hung 24 points on us in the 4th quarter alone (which could easily have been 28, considering they opted to kick a chip-shot FG to win the game when they had a 1st-and-goal from the 5). See the boxscore from the Dec 5th, 2004 Ravens/Bengals game...also played at M&T, BTW.

Is this Oak team as good as that Cincy team? No. But so what. with 20+min to play in the game, you should never have to apologize for maximizing your scoring opportunities.

**Paintballguy** · 11-11-2012, 10:14 PM

I can't believe this is actually being discussed. You take any points you can get in the NFL. Period end of story. The Raiders coach even said we have to stop them.

**Derf** · 11-11-2012, 10:24 PM

Look at it this way. That play may make the Steelers and every other opponent defend our FG attempts with that play in mind instead of going all out for a block. Or not. All I know for certain is it royally pissed off the Raider fans in the table next to ours. LMAO.

**alienrace** · 11-11-2012, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

I'm happy, but all I am saying is temper it.

Well, we did just beat a team by 35 that did also beat the Steelers.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 11-11-2012, 11:04 PM

I just hope we didn't shoot our entire wad against the Raiders.
Need to save much of that for the Steelers. (both games)

**Haloti92** · 11-11-2012, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by MarkS

Especially when you consider that this is the same QB who once hung 24 points on us in the 4th quarter alone (which could easily have been 28, considering they opted to kick a chip-shot FG to win the game when they had a 1st-and-goal from the 5). See the boxscore from the Dec 5th, 2004 Ravens/Bengals game...also played at M&T, BTW.

Is this Oak team as good as that Cincy team? No. But so what. with 20+min to play in the game, you should never have to apologize for maximizing your scoring opportunities.

Yeah, anything can happen, but the odds we lose a 27 point lead from that point on is miniscule (but above zero). Even the game you mentioned we only lost a 17 point lead; had they scored that 4th TD vs the chipshot, we could have lost a 21 point lead.

Obviously I couldn't care less that we faked the FG, but like any decision there are risks and rewards. For one thing, if we miss it, we are only up by 3 scores (24 pts). Any points, read: gimme FG, makes it a 4 score game. The TD itself (successful fake) still only makes it a 4 score game (though different, harder scores and conversions are needed for the opponent). Then there is the risk the other team starts cheap-shotting people, or brawls break out, injuries, suspensions, etc.

I would be interested to know what kind of odds of success Harbaugh was assuming when he made the call. I would assume very high based on what they saw on tape. It also almost looked like Harbaugh was surprised by the fake, though I would need to check the replay.

I wonder if he gives Rosburg some kind of leeway about faking kicks or punts? I would tend to doubt it, but maybe it could have been some kind of open-ended permission like "if you want to work on some special plays, feel free" (after we got a 3 score lead). Like I said I would like to see the replay to re-check Harbaugh's expression, he didn't really look happy if I remember it correctly. Not mad either, just sort of expressionless.

**ActualSpamBot** · 11-12-2012, 12:53 AM

Sam Koch is the one who calls that fake. Harbaugh has said in the past that anytime Sam reads the defense loaded up to try and block it from the offense's right, he has the option of jogging it in from the left. We've done it twice in two years and both times it looked identical and was executed perfectly.

Further, the idea that running the fake could lead to cheap shots by the Raiders can be dismissed entirely by the fact that they picked up their FOURTH personal foul for late hits or face masking on that drive. They were already cheap shotting. That TD was our response. (My dad and I both predicted something like it when Curry picked up his second late hit penalty. As soon as it happened we looked at each other and said that Flacco was going to go back to the hurry up and bomb them into submission to teach them a lesson.)