I've had enough of Ed Reed's BS

**BaltimoreBoh** · 11-11-2012, 08:12 PM

Wow! Did you see the score? We won! Why are we complaining about the BEST safety to ever play NFL football? He's banged up. Sorry, but Ed is all heart. He is a RAVEN and I'm glad still out there. I can't wait to see him against big Jen next week. Game on!

**HoustonRaven** · 11-11-2012, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfejr

I don't drink.
Another personal attack.

Sure is hard to have an opinion in this board.

Mod's you are free to delete this post. PLEASE

We will when a violation occurs.

Having an opinion and posting them on this forum does not mean people can't respond in kind.

**Beau Petard** · 11-11-2012, 08:45 PM

Rolfe--
First, know that I could not see the game today, so I can only go by written reports of what went on.

That being siad, I completely understand a rant, especially when one of our guys makes a mistake. What I think some are saying is, how can you throw Reed under the bus? It's not like the guy isn't giving 100% of what he's got left. It's not like he's a team "cancer". It's not like there are guys sitting on the bench who are likely more talented and capable of providing more value at this point, given experience, talent, leadership, etc.

Further, rant notwithstanding, you seem to be guilty of the same accusations you make of other posters, in terms of personal attacks. Reed a bigger drama queen than Roethlisberger? PLEASE! Get a grip.

Hit like your gramma? Didn't Reed lay some lumber on a ball carrier a week or so ago, flying out of the secondary to knock the living piss out of someone (don't recall which runner/game) with his shoulder?

I'll listen to legitimate criticism, but your original post isn't.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 11-11-2012, 09:04 PM

I am as annoyed as anyone at Ed's inability to tackle (and make no mistake, it's all a result of his nerve impingement), but you have to weigh the good with the bad...and the good still outweighs the bad.

So we basically have a Deion Sanders playing safety...he can still take a lot away in the passing game by just having QB's avoid him.

He is approaching the end very fast though...you can see that sometimes Ed's body isn't able to jump the routes his mind takes him to.

**houstonravensfan** · 11-11-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by houstonraven

how dare he play with a torn labrum and that nerve impingement. What a bum.

And those occasional int's are a pain in the ass. He leads all active players with 60 of them, but wtf dude, you can't lay their injured when dhb scores. That's inexcusable and, damnit, i need you to do better so i feel better!

Right?

+1: Perfect!

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 11-11-2012, 10:58 PM

Since Ed has a bad shoulder/neck, why is he going in shoulder/neck first?
Why not go in chest high, like Ray often does on tackles?

Someone want to explain that one to me.

**PurpleApocalypse37** · 11-12-2012, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by lowrider

To me Ed has always been an egnima. A great playmaker who will walk into the HOF one day, but does things sometimes that just make you scratch your head. IMO he has never been a great tackler. Not his strong suit. And with this labrum injury he really looks pop warner on most plays where he has to make a tackle by himself. But I must say when the playoffs roll around there is not another FS that I would rather have back there.

No. Between 2002 and 2005 he was a better tackler than Polamalu in his prime.

**RavensQB** · 11-12-2012, 12:25 AM

Funny how Ed layed wood here..

**RavensQB** · 11-12-2012, 12:31 AM

Same game. Ed keeps the PATS from getting a TD.

Haters hate to hate.

Injury is causing Ed not to do certain things.

**LukeDaniel** · 11-12-2012, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

Low low post OP.

Most players would have retired years ago with the injuries Reed has dealt with. It sucks when your use to an all-world player, but at this point you have to take the bad with the good. It's been said many times, but 50% Ed Reed is better than 100% of what most starting FS's in the league bring.

Edit: P. S. Grow a pair

You chastise the OP and then show your own immaturity by telling a stranger to grow a pair.

The notion that "50% Ed Reed is better than 100% of what most starting FS's in the league bring" is utter hogwash. No player is that good. Not even Jerry Rice in his prime was that talented. Even if Reed was the player he was from 2008 and back, the upside of his range and "fear factor" on opposing QBs is offset by his horrendous tackling. I mean, we aren't just talking a missed tackle in a bad spot in a game (a la Dawan Landry, who was a really good tackler who just missed a few key tackles in his last year here in 2010). Ed Reed is having a historically awful tackling season. If he misses less than 5 tackles a game, that's above average for him. He is operating with Shaq/Chris Dudley free throw percentages when it comes to tackling. Make a tackle....miss a tackle...make a tackle....miss a tackle.

Today wasn't just the awful tackling effort on the DHB touchdown pass. On the very next drive, he had a pitiful effort along the home sideline that allowed a player (can't recall who) to get an additional 5-6 yards on the end of the play. I had him down as missing 4 tackles today. For any player, future HOFer or not, that's pretty bad. Of course, when you compare it to the 11 missed tackle effort he turned in against the Cowboys, it wasn't that bad after all. He's never been a particularly sound tackler and has always had awful fundamentals when it comes to tackling, so it's no surprise that this injury has taken him from being mediocre to being dreadful.

This isn't a rip Ed Reed thread. I love the guy and hope this isn't his last year in Baltimore. However, he's hurt and these injuries have eroded his abilities so much that I do wonder if there is any benefit for the Ravens to extend him beyond this year. Kudos for playing tough to Ed, but to say that he's not a liability out there right now is a bit of an optimistic appraisal.

**Brtnder81** · 11-12-2012, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

Funny how Ed layed wood here..

this was the game where he hurt his shoulder. Im not sure what play it was though

**Dade** · 11-12-2012, 02:21 AM

Even with some of the things Ed does that make you go "WTF", there is no other FS in the league I would rather have back there.

**GOTA** · 11-12-2012, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by RavenMadness

Ed Reed ‏@TwentyER Thanks for support! I'm good for next week. Just had a bad day. Not perfect, though we try!

Try he does. Ed Reed always gives 110%. I'm glad he's here

**HoustonRaven** · 11-12-2012, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I am as annoyed as anyone at Ed's inability to tackle (and make no mistake, it's all a result of his nerve impingement), but you have to weigh the good with the bad...and the good still outweighs the bad.

So we basically have a Deion Sanders playing safety...he can still take a lot away in the passing game by just having QB's avoid him.

He is approaching the end very fast though...you can see that sometimes Ed's body isn't able to jump the routes his mind takes him to.

+1

Father Time is definitely catching up to him. My only issue with him is maybe he tries too hard to stay on the field when hurt.

But to call the guy a bum or a drama queen? Very low shot, IMO

**leachisabeast** · 11-12-2012, 05:49 AM

How anyone can call Reed out for missing a tackle after all he's done for this team is beyond me, and somewhat sickens me. This is the NFL, of course you are going to miss tackles when your 35 years old and have had long term injury issues with your shoulder, but where will some of you be when Reed nabs his next important interception, which could even be next week to potentially seal a win against the Steelers just as an example? Show some respect.

**Beau Petard** · 11-12-2012, 07:07 AM

PB-74--
You asked, "Since Ed has a bad shoulder/neck, why is he going in shoulder/neck first?
Why not go in chest high, like Ray often does on tackles?" Very fair questions.

I can't say I know the answers, but FWIW--

Assuming Reed does indeed have a torn labrum, it can explain why he's playing the way he is. I've posted in this thread and before in others that his technique (defending, tackling, etc.) appears odd to me for much of the season. As an example, see RQB's first video link of the hit in the NE game. Reed makes a weird looking hit (at least from my perspective), but levels the guy. That doesn't look like "normal" tackling technique, and contrary to urban legend is not the way Reed has usually made tackles over the years.

This leads to your questions about why Reed doesn't go in chest high. No expert here, but if I were to guess, it could be that, despite a torn labrum, there may be a "sweet spot" (or angle, or approach, or whatever) for Reed's shoulder that DOESN'T create pain or issues when he goes in to hit/tackle a guy, thus creating an unusual way for him to play.

Not basing this on anything terribly concrete, more just a gut feeling.

**esmd** · 11-12-2012, 08:03 AM

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**GOTA** · 11-12-2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

How anyone can call Reed out for missing a tackle after all he's done for this team is beyond me, and somewhat sickens me. This is the NFL, of course you are going to miss tackles when your 35 years old and have had long term injury issues with your shoulder, but where will some of you be when Reed nabs his next important interception, which could even be next week to potentially seal a win against the Steelers just as an example? Show some respect.

Thank you. Funny how no one was calling out Reed last week. Timely interceptions get only silence but 1 missed tackle and he should retire.

**RedSkins Fury** · 11-12-2012, 09:03 AM

You win some and you lose some with Ed (You win more than you lose). I hated watching that play yesterday where he launched himself at the WR instead of simply grabbing him and holding on until support came. But, we loved it when Ed knocked the shit out of Moreno coming out of Denver's backfield a couple years ago, causing the fumble and contributing to a big upset against a 6-0 team.

He will be gone quicker than we'd like... And then we will miss him.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 11-12-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Beau Petard

PB-74--
You asked, "Since Ed has a bad shoulder/neck, why is he going in shoulder/neck first?
Why not go in chest high, like Ray often does on tackles?" Very fair questions.

I can't say I know the answers, but FWIW--

Assuming Reed does indeed have a torn labrum, it can explain why he's playing the way he is. I've posted in this thread and before in others that his technique (defending, tackling, etc.) appears odd to me for much of the season. As an example, see RQB's first video link of the hit in the NE game. Reed makes a weird looking hit (at least from my perspective), but levels the guy. That doesn't look like "normal" tackling technique, and contrary to urban legend is not the way Reed has usually made tackles over the years.

This leads to your questions about why Reed doesn't go in chest high. No expert here, but if I were to guess, it could be that, despite a torn labrum, there may be a "sweet spot" (or angle, or approach, or whatever) for Reed's shoulder that DOESN'T create pain or issues when he goes in to hit/tackle a guy, thus creating an unusual way for him to play.

Not basing this on anything terribly concrete, more just a gut feeling.

Thanks for the reply.
Your theory is definitely a sound one. And it makes more sense than any other explanation.
Unfortunately this time Ed's awkward tackling technique backfired on him.
It doesn't look like we can count on him remaining healthy through the playoffs.
And I don't see a safety tandem of Pollard and Ihedigbo striking a lot of fear into other team's passing games. Ihedigbo's more of a strong safety anyway with his 4.67 speed. But I don't see Harbaugh going with Thompson, even though he's faster, because he's still an inexperienced rookie.