SoundFX: John Harbaugh

**Justlovemybirds** · 11-15-2012, 07:34 AM

Harbs was mic'd up for the Oakland game

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-...ns-flying-high

Interesting hearing him discuss going for the fake Field Goal.

**palukaraven** · 11-15-2012, 07:44 AM

Saw that on the NFL network last night. One thing that I did notice, is that when Flacco threw one of is TD's, and Rice ran another in nearly unscathed, Harbaugh seemed to praise Cam and give him credit for good play calling. Not saying this is right or wrong, good or bad, it just goes along with the irony of all the heat the offense takes and Harbaugh's loyalty to his coaches.

**Ravens75** · 11-15-2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by palukaraven

Saw that on the NFL network last night. One thing that I did notice, is that when Flacco threw one of is TD's, and Rice ran another in nearly unscathed, Harbaugh seemed to praise Cam and give him credit for good play calling. Not saying this is right or wrong, good or bad, it's just goes along with the irony of all the heat the offense takes and Harbaugh's loyalty to his coaches.

I've been saying this for at least two years since Harbs gave Cam Cameron the game ball for the win over the Steelers in Heinz. That was Joe's first real difference making performance and Harbs could've established Joe as the leader of the team (along with Ray) just by praising him. Instead he chooses Cam.

If Harbs doesn't get the Ravens over the hump and he gets fired he'll need to look in the mirror and ask himself if his loyalty to the coaches was his undoing.

The guy just seems to lack common sense sometimes.

**Paintballguy** · 11-15-2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens75

I've been saying this for at least two years since Harbs gave Cam Cameron the game ball for the win over the Steelers in Heinz. That was Joe's first real difference making performance and Harbs could've established Joe as the leader of the team (along with Ray) just by praising him. Instead he chooses Cam.

If Harbs doesn't get the Ravens over the hump and he gets fired he'll need to look in the mirror and ask himself if his loyalty to the coaches was his undoing.

The guy just seems to lack common sense sometimes.

Do you really believe that not giving Joe a game ball affects him? If you do, I want what you are on. If you ask any Ravens player about Joe, they are behind him 100%.

Also, the Ravens will be the only team to ever make the playoffs 5 consecutive times under Harbaugh and Flacco if they make the playoffs this year. You are seriously crazy if you think Harbaugh would get fired. He's been a fantastic coach for the Ravens.

**leachisabeast** · 11-15-2012, 08:11 AM

Jesus christ, people want to find every little thing to pick on with Harbaugh, it really puzzles me at times. Harbaugh praises everyone for their efforts, and I have even heard him shout at Cam for dumb play calls before on sound FX.

**ravensnhokies** · 11-15-2012, 08:23 AM

I gleaned from the show that Harbs really never gets involved at all in Cam's playcalling. If you have some ownership in the decision, you dont directly praise that subordinate. They showed him talking strategy with Rosburg on the fake FG. He should be doing the same with Cam. My thoughts of John mostly being a glorified college coach are never debunked when we get these sideline videos on SoundFX or RaveTV. Maybe I'm wrong in my expectations, but I want my coach to be the master strategist during a game, and I just dont see John being that type of coach. Sure you dont micromanage every aspect, but when things arent going right, that's when you step in and take charge. Perhaps the Raiders game wasnt the best example, b/c nearly every aspect of the game was achieving at a high level. Like some people's opinions on Joe, I always be a doubting Thomas WRT Harbs being the capable coach to lead us to a SB victory. And I don't think my opinion will change until a trophy is raised. As a Ravens fan, I hope I am completely wrong.

**leachisabeast** · 11-15-2012, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

I gleaned from the show that Harbs really never gets involved at all in Cam's playcalling. If you have some ownership in the decision, you dont directly praise that subordinate. They showed him talking strategy with Rosburg on the fake FG. He should be doing the same with Cam. My thoughts of John mostly being a glorified college coach are never debunked when we get these sideline videos on SoundFX or RaveTV. Maybe I'm wrong in my expectations , but I want my coach to be the master strategist during a game, and I just dont see John being that type of coach. Sure you dont micromanage every aspect, but when things arent going right, that's when you step in and take charge. Perhaps the Raiders game wasnt the best example, b/c nearly every aspect of the game was achieving at a high level. Like some people's opinions on Joe, I always be a doubting Thomas WRT Harbs being the capable coach to lead us to a SB victory. And I don't think my opinion will change until a trophy is raised.

loool!

**Ravenalytics** · 11-15-2012, 08:27 AM

For some reason, Harbaugh reminds me of Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights. So he's all good by me, haha.

Seriously though, the way he's worked this team with such a high rate of turnover, he deserves to be counted among the "elite" coaches in the NFL along with the likes of Darth Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Very happy to have him.

**s.r.genovese** · 11-15-2012, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

I gleaned from the show that Harbs really never gets involved at all in Cam's playcalling. If you have some ownership in the decision, you dont directly praise that subordinate. They showed him talking strategy with Rosburg on the fake FG. He should be doing the same with Cam. My thoughts of John mostly being a glorified college coach are never debunked when we get these sideline videos on SoundFX or RaveTV. Maybe I'm wrong in my expectations, but I want my coach to be the master strategist during a game, and I just dont see John being that type of coach. Sure you dont micromanage every aspect, but when things arent going right, that's when you step in and take charge. Perhaps the Raiders game wasnt the best example, b/c nearly every aspect of the game was achieving at a high level. Like some people's opinions on Joe, I always be a doubting Thomas WRT Harbs being the capable coach to lead us to a SB victory. And I don't think my opinion will change until a trophy is raised. As a Ravens fan, I hope I am completely wrong.

You must really hate Tom Coughlin. He's got 2 Superbowl rings and doesn't call any plays.

**Paintballguy** · 11-15-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

I gleaned from the show that Harbs really never gets involved at all in Cam's playcalling. If you have some ownership in the decision, you dont directly praise that subordinate. They showed him talking strategy with Rosburg on the fake FG. He should be doing the same with Cam. My thoughts of John mostly being a glorified college coach are never debunked when we get these sideline videos on SoundFX or RaveTV. Maybe I'm wrong in my expectations, but I want my coach to be the master strategist during a game, and I just dont see John being that type of coach. Sure you dont micromanage every aspect, but when things arent going right, that's when you step in and take charge. Perhaps the Raiders game wasnt the best example, b/c nearly every aspect of the game was achieving at a high level. Like some people's opinions on Joe, I always be a doubting Thomas WRT Harbs being the capable coach to lead us to a SB victory. And I don't think my opinion will change until a trophy is raised. As a Ravens fan, I hope I am completely wrong.

Good coaches or managers trust their people to do what they do without meddling. What employee enjoys having their boss over their shoulder telling them what to do?

**palukaraven** · 11-15-2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Jesus christ, people want to find every little thing to pick on with Harbaugh, it really puzzles me at times. Harbaugh praises everyone for their efforts, and I have even heard him shout at Cam for dumb play calls before on sound FX.

Sorry pal, people are allowed their opinions just as you are. You don't need to respond if you don't like it. It's called respecting other peoples objective opinions and posts. As much as you'd like to believe you're opinion is always "right," it's not, which is why it's called an opinion. I wouldn't have responded this way if I didn't believe you're coming across as condescending.

**ravensnhokies** · 11-15-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by s.r.genovese

You must really hate Tom Coughlin. He's got 2 Superbowl rings and doesn't call any plays.

Dont really have a strong opinion on Tom. In his old days with the Jags and early Giants tenure, he was Mr Micromanage to Nth degree so I dont think Harbs and Tom are alike too much.

Sorry, just not a big Harbs fan. Not gonna shoot down anyone else's opinion on John if they disagree and think he's great coach. Just my feelings. John is a ST coach... never a OC or DC, so in my book, I question if he truly understands playcalling strategy. Things have run amok with Cam at times, and I would have thought that John would have put a stop on those reoccurring issues by now. Don't really want to get into a deep discussion on the pros and cons of Harbs, but end it by saying I hope Harbs and the coaching staff prove me 100% wrong. And I do believe that the Ravens organization could do far worse than Harbs considering the dearth of good coaches out there.

**Paintballguy** · 11-15-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

Dont really have a strong opinion on Tom. In his old days with the Jags and early Giants tenure, he was Mr Micromanage to Nth degree so I dont think Harbs and Tom are alike too much.

Sorry, just not a big Harbs fan. Not gonna shoot down anyone else's opinion on John if they disagree and think he's great coach. Just my feelings. John is a ST coach... never a OC or DC, so in my book, I question if he truly understands playcalling strategy. Things have run amok with Cam at times, and I would have thought that John would have put a stop on those reoccurring issues by now. Don't really want to get into a deep discussion on the pros and cons of Harbs, but end it by saying I hope Harbs and the coaching staff prove me 100% wrong.

A head coach's job is to manage the entire team, not be a O or D coordinator.

**Captain Silver** · 11-15-2012, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

And I don't think my opinion will change until a trophy is raised. As a Ravens fan, I hope I am completely wrong.

I am with you there!

Originally Posted by Ravenalytics

Seriously though, the way he's worked this team with such a high rate of turnover, he deserves to be counted among the "elite" coaches in the NFL along with the likes of Darth Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

No frigg'n way. Until he gets a ring he NEVER deserves to be mentioned with Super Bowl winning coaches.

Originally Posted by palukaraven

Sorry pal, people are allowed their opinions just as you are. You don't need to respond if you don't like it. It's called respecting other peoples objective opinions and posts. As much as you'd like to believe you're opinion is always "right," it's not, which is why it's called an opinion. I wouldn't have responded this way if I didn't believe you're coming across as condescending.

Get used to it. There is a breed of poster that jumps to Harbaugh's defense if you don't like his coaching. I am with you and Steve Young that says the Raven's have done the least with the most in terms of talent. The ballyhoo about making the playoffs constantly is crap. These are the same people who condemned Brian Billick for wasting years of great defense. When does it become John wasting the most talented teams on offense and defense? Sorry, coaches are remembered for trophies. The knock and reason a lot of people didn't want Marty Shottenhiemer here was his fail to win the big one despite regular season and limited playoff success.

**Terpsfan82** · 11-15-2012, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenalytics

For some reason, Harbaugh reminds me of Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights. So he's all good by me, haha.

Seriously though, the way he's worked this team with such a high rate of turnover, he deserves to be counted among the "elite" coaches in the NFL along with the likes of Darth Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Very happy to have him.

All of those coaches have SB wins.

**Ravenalytics** · 11-15-2012, 09:10 AM

There are multiple ways to win. Jimmie Johnson and Belichick are two completely different types of coaches, but both have won 3 rings. Who's to say one style is better than another?

**Ravenalytics** · 11-15-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

All of those coaches have SB wins.

John will have his soon enough

**alienrace** · 11-15-2012, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

A head coach's job is to manage the entire team, not be a O or D coordinator.

I agree with this. I also agree with R75 - Flacco should have gotten that game ball back then.

**Captain Silver** · 11-15-2012, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenalytics

There are multiple ways to win. Jimmie Johnson and Belichick are two completely different types of coaches, but both have won 3 rings. Who's to say one style is better than another?

Johnson only won 2 Super Bowls.