Ravens closing in on Division record

[Justlovemybirds]

"Ravens Closing in on Division Record"

Annnnd again

[B-more Ravor]

There have been a number of coaches that have had success right from the get go: Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh, George Halas, Jimmy Johnson, Weeb Ewbank and Bill Parcells all won a title by year 4.

Then, there have been a number of really good coaches that have never worn the ring: Marty Schottenheimer (13 playoff teams), Bud Grant (12 playoff teams), Chuck Knox (11 playoff teams), Dan Reeves and Andy Reid (both with 9 playoff teams).

Then there are the late bloomers.
9 years (and his second team) before coach A won a title.
11 years before coach B won a title.
8 years before coach C won a title.
5 years before coach D won a title.
6 years (and his second team) before coach E won a title.
13 years before coach F won a title.
11 years (and his second team) before coach G won a title.

Coach A = Don Shula
Coach B = Tom Landry
Coach C = Curley Lambeau
Coach D = Chuck Knoll
Coach E = Bill Belichik
Coach F = Bill Cowher
Coach G = Tom Coughlin

We know Harbaugh isn't part of the first group, but is he in the second group, or the third? Choose wisely...

Ah, perspective........

[callahan09]

It's funny to see this article, which explains that Baltimore has been consistently winning for the past four years.... consistently in the playoffs.... consistently beating our competition in the division.... and yet still people are calling for the coach's head.

We're lucky to have Harbaugh. I can only imagine the epic fail the past few years would have been if Rex Ryan had been given the job.

Also, I draw comics for a living and spend a lot of time at conventions across the country. I've seen a TON of cosplay (and by ton I mean rolls and rolls of fat stuffed into spandex) and this is the best Bane cosplay I've ever seen. Bring your ass to the Baltimore Comic Con next fall if you want to get some appreciation.

Hey, I apologize if someone else asked this and I missed it over the other pages of this thread, but who are you? I'm a big comics fan and would be interested to know if you're someone whose work I'm already familiar with, and if not, I'd love to check your stuff out!

[GOTA]

It's funny to see this article, which explains that Baltimore has been consistently winning for the past four years.... consistently in the playoffs.... consistently beating our competition in the division.... and yet still people are calling for the coach's head.

We're lucky to have Harbaugh. I can only imagine the epic fail the past few years would have been if Rex Ryan had been given the job.

Also, I draw comics for a living and spend a lot of time at conventions across the country. I've seen a TON of cosplay (and by ton I mean rolls and rolls of fat stuffed into spandex) and this is the best Bane cosplay I've ever seen. Bring your ass to the Baltimore Comic Con next fall if you want to get some appreciation.

That's because if there is anyone who really is on Venom it would be Captain Silver.

[Captain Silver]

There have been a number of coaches that have had success right from the get go: Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh, George Halas, Jimmy Johnson, Weeb Ewbank and Bill Parcells all won a title by year 4.

Then, there have been a number of really good coaches that have never worn the ring: Marty Schottenheimer (13 playoff teams), Bud Grant (12 playoff teams), Chuck Knox (11 playoff teams), Dan Reeves and Andy Reid (both with 9 playoff teams).

Then there are the late bloomers.
9 years (and his second team) before coach A won a title.
11 years before coach B won a title.
8 years before coach C won a title.
5 years before coach D won a title.
6 years (and his second team) before coach E won a title.
13 years before coach F won a title.
11 years (and his second team) before coach G won a title.

Coach A = Don Shula
Coach B = Tom Landry
Coach C = Curley Lambeau
Coach D = Chuck Knoll
Coach E = Bill Belichik
Coach F = Bill Cowher
Coach G = Tom Coughlin

We know Harbaugh isn't part of the first group, but is he in the second group, or the third? Choose wisely...

Second group. I have a steak dinner on it!

Also, I draw comics for a living and spend a lot of time at conventions across the country. I've seen a TON of cosplay (and by ton I mean rolls and rolls of fat stuffed into spandex) and this is the best Bane cosplay I've ever seen. Bring your ass to the Baltimore Comic Con next fall if you want to get some appreciation.

Here's a link to some pics.

That's because if there is anyone who really is on Venom it would be Captain Silver.

Well played.

[GaTechRavens]

Bad judge of talent?

Please explain.

Yeah, I need to hear more about that one. And bad clock management? That has been said about every single coach in NFL history.

[JohnBKistler]

Yeah, I need to hear more about that one. And bad clock management? That has been said about every single coach in NFL history.

Well, there was that one timeout that came back on the plane with them from Foxboro last year. But other than that one instance, Harbaugh has been decent.

In terms of another aspect of clock management, the one vast improvement over the previous coaching staff is the tempo of the offense. Even before they went to the no-huddle/sugar-huddle this year, Harbaugh/Cameron almost always had the offense out of the huddle and up to the line of scrimmage with time to spare.

How many times did Billick's offenses just seem to plod, plod, plod their way from play to play?

[timmyonfleet]

U guys are complaining just to complain. we easily could have wound up with Garret or Rex. Either would have been a disaster. The players buy what Harbs sells and they win every year. Lets resume this thread in 5 years if we still have no trophy. Until then this is a non issue.

[Captain Silver]

U guys are complaining just to complain. we easily could have wound up with Garret or Rex. Either would have been a disaster. The players buy what Harbs sells and they win every year. Lets resume this thread in 5 years if we still have no trophy. Until then this is a non issue.

Actually, no. If you READ the first words of the OP's post it says, "I still don't understand why some people want Harbaugh gone(?)"

Meaning myself and a few others are answering his question about why we do not like John Harbaugh as head coach. I didn't start a thread to state my position, I merely VOICE my opinion when the question or reasons for continued failure to win a championship arise.

I am not alone in my opinion that John hasn't done enough, Super Bowl, MVP Steve Young agrees that the Ravens have had more talent on the field than most of the NFL and have done the least with it. Do you think this team is always going to have that much talent?

Then the apologist come along, and yes I agree we were a dropped pass from the Super Bowl, but by that same token, we should have been smashing the Patriots as we were out playing them the whole game, but we missed key strategic points that other head coaches would have feasted on.

Having hindsight into who would have been coach is pointless because I never would have fired Billick, he was a QB away from another Super Bowl victory. Spare me the crucifixtion of Brian Billick, I am merely stating an answer to Garret and Rex.

So Timmyonfleet, read the whole ongoing discussion before you presume all us 'guys' complain to complain, were that the case I would start my own thread. And pray tell, when we have no trophy in 5 years, is it then permissable to have the opinion that John Harbaugh is an underachiever? Give me a break.

[Mr OC]

Actually, no. If you READ the first words of the OP's post it says, "I still don't understand why some people want Harbaugh gone(?)"

Meaning myself and a few others are answering his question about why we do not like John Harbaugh as head coach. I didn't start a thread to state my position, I merely VOICE my opinion when the question or reasons for continued failure to win a championship arise.

I am not alone in my opinion that John hasn't done enough, Super Bowl, MVP Steve Young agrees that the Ravens have had more talent on the field than most of the NFL and have done the least with it. Do you think this team is always going to have that much talent?

Then the apologist come along, and yes I agree we were a dropped pass from the Super Bowl, but by that same token, we should have been smashing the Patriots as we were out playing them the whole game, but we missed key strategic points that other head coaches would have feasted on.

Having hindsight into who would have been coach is pointless because I never would have fired Billick, he was a QB away from another Super Bowl victory. Spare me the crucifixtion of Brian Billick, I am merely stating an answer to Garret and Rex.

So Timmyonfleet, read the whole ongoing discussion before you presume all us 'guys' complain to complain, were that the case I would start my own thread. And pray tell, when we have no trophy in 5 years, is it then permissable to have the opinion that John Harbaugh is an underachiever? Give me a break.

Interesting opinions; obviously there is no way to prove or disprove. It's also possible that Harbaugh has done a good job getting the talent to play as a team, and another coach may not have gotten the Ravens as far. Again, no way to prove one way or another.

There will always be I suppose a group of fans that think the coach is holding the team back, while another group feels that the coach is putting them in the best position to win. Makes for interesting conversation for sure.

[Captain Silver]

Interesting opinions; obviously there is no way to prove or disprove. It's also possible that Harbaugh has done a good job getting the talent to play as a team, and another coach may not have gotten the Ravens as far. Again, no way to prove one way or another.

There will always be I suppose a group of fans that think the coach is holding the team back, while another group feels that the coach is putting them in the best position to win. Makes for interesting conversation for sure.

Agreed, and I know I am in the minority but that is fine.

[Beau Petard]

A lot of interesting comments in this thread.

Not to veer too far OT, but as I was reading the thread about Ditka's minor stroke, I spotted this link in one of the margins. I thought it was somewhat interesting in light of the OP's original question, and didn't want to start a whole different thread.

Title of the linked article is "The Worst Head Coach in Every NFL Team's History". (Can you guess who for the Ravens???)

[leachisabeast]

Actually, no. If you READ the first words of the OP's post it says, "I still don't understand why some people want Harbaugh gone(?)"

Meaning myself and a few others are answering his question about why we do not like John Harbaugh as head coach. I didn't start a thread to state my position, I merely VOICE my opinion when the question or reasons for continued failure to win a championship arise.

I am not alone in my opinion that John hasn't done enough, Super Bowl, MVP Steve Young agrees that the Ravens have had more talent on the field than most of the NFL and have done the least with it. Do you think this team is always going to have that much talent?

Then the apologist come along, and yes I agree we were a dropped pass from the Super Bowl, but by that same token, we should have been smashing the Patriots as we were out playing them the whole game, but we missed key strategic points that other head coaches would have feasted on.

Having hindsight into who would have been coach is pointless because I never would have fired Billick, he was a QB away from another Super Bowl victory. Spare me the crucifixtion of Brian Billick, I am merely stating an answer to Garret and Rex.

So Timmyonfleet, read the whole ongoing discussion before you presume all us 'guys' complain to complain, were that the case I would start my own thread. And pray tell, when we have no trophy in 5 years, is it then permissable to have the opinion that John Harbaugh is an underachiever? Give me a break.

And if Harbaugh had big Jen, Arraon Rogers, or Tom Bady, Harbaugh could have had at least two rings by now.

[RavensQB]

And if Harbaugh had big Jen, Arraon Rogers, or Tom Bady, Harbaugh could have had at least two rings by now.

Oh thats Horseshit... They would still Have CAM's playbook

[Terpsfan82]

Oh thats Horseshit... They would still Have CAM's playbook

I agree with this. They used to say that the only person able to hold Michael Jordan under 20 points was Dean Smith. I counter that with, the only coach who could throttle those quarterbacks is Cam Cameron.

[The Excellector]

This is a very impressive record, and one of a few that John Harbaugh has this team in position for. This could be their second consecutive season sweep of the division. This could also be their third consecutive 12 win season. They would be creeping into Indianapolis territory.

[timmyonfleet]

I refuse to believe that Harbs is an underachiever after having read the OP's original link. You could pick any couple of games from some of the best HC in history and find a mistake here or there. Bottom line is he wins year in and year out. I'm sorry but perennial playoff teams do not have underacheivers as coaches. Statement is moronic. He didn't drop the pass or miss the FG. He helped get us to that point 2x in 4 years, I mean you can't be serious.

[Captain Silver]

I refuse to believe that Harbs is an underachiever after having read the OP's original link. You could pick any couple of games from some of the best HC in history and find a mistake here or there. Bottom line is he wins year in and year out. I'm sorry but perennial playoff teams do not have underacheivers as coaches. Statement is moronic. He didn't drop the pass or miss the FG. He helped get us to that point 2x in 4 years, I mean you can't be serious.

Don't believe, I don't care. I am not trying to convince you, I am stating my position why he has done the least with the most talent. And historically great coaches are judged by Super Bowls. Chuck Knox, a lot of people will go "who?" He won a lot of games back in the day, but only people who follow football closely remember him. Marty Shottenhiemer and the soon to be fired Andy Reid have the underachiever moniker as well, great coaches, but not good enough to get over the hump... So I see the same in Harbaugh, especially with Cam Cameron lingering.

Again, the Patriot game should have never been that close and he should have called a time out to set up the kicker, but he blew it.

But again, when asked why I feel this way, I state my position, you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

[JohnBKistler]

Many (most) of those "great" coaches did not win their first Super Bowl (championship) until well after their first 4 campaigns.

It is all speculation. Could another coach have won a SB or 2 over the last 4 years? Maybe. But the alternative could also be true, that another man may not have gotten the Ravens to the playoffs as much.

Regarding Billick. He was a very good coach. And he was the perfect man for the job when he got here. But (as he himself admits), he lost his voice with the team towards the end of his tenure. I think a change was needed and I do not think he would have gotten the productivity out of the team in 2008 and beyond that Harbaugh was able to achieve.

Lastly, I am glad that ranking of worst coaches termed their labeling of Marchibroda as "unfair". Notwithstanding the opinion of the Cleveland fans, the team that Ted was asked to coached was one of the worst in the league. Moreover, they were so strapped by the salary cap (they couldn't even afford a taxi squad), that the only way they could really build the team in those first 3 years was via the draft. Ted really didn't have a chance. Again, I think Billick was the right man for the job in 1999, and Ted had to go, but he was not a "bad" coach and the Ravens have really been blessed with not having their own Rich Kotite in their first 17 seasons.

[leachisabeast]

Oh thats Horseshit... They would still Have CAM's playbook

Stop living in denial. Flacco is just not as good as the guys I listed, and you can't just blame Cam for it all. Facts are facts.