Ravens closing in on Division record

[GOTA]

Oh thats Horseshit... They would still Have CAM's playbook

Cam had Brees and couldn't get to a Super Bowl. Not too long after Brees gets away from Cam he's the Super Bowl MVP

[Kevlar]

Wow. I don't think Harbaugh is a bad head coach at all. He is a little too Rah-Rah at times, and a bit tight lipped in his press conferences, but I really can't think of any HC I'd rather have over him. Now if he would just hire a real OC and fire his drunken OL coach....

[Paintballguy]

Now if he would just hire a real OC and fire his drunken OL coach....

Those are issues that I hope get resolved this offseason. Cam needs to move on. Isn't his contract up?


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[redmike34]

Cam had Brees and couldn't get to a Super Bowl. Not too long after Brees gets away from Cam he's the Super Bowl MVP

I constantly hear this on this board, and it's a fallacious argument. It doesn't mean anything, unless you assume that a) Flacco and Brees have the same skill set, b) Flacco's receivers/OL/TEs/RBs have the same capabilities and limitations that Brees' had in SD, c) the opponents that Brees faced with Cam in SD were basically the same as the opponents Flacco's faced with Cam in Bmore, and going forward, d) that a simple change in OC will somehow unlock the inner Superman in Flacco. Actually, which brings me to e) that there actually is an inner Superman in Flacco waiting to be unlocked.

I don't see a valid basis for any of those assumptions, with the possible exception of e, since Flacco is lights out at M&T. However, I don't see what basis there is for thinking Flacco's road struggles are Cam's fault and Cam's fault only.

I hope Cam goes, just so that I don't have to keep reading every single thread on every single Ravens board turn into a Ravens-OC bashing fest. However, y'all should be careful what you wish for...

[Beau Petard]

mike--
I can't say that Cameron is "the" problem or not, but I have a sense that he is "part" of the problem, that being that the offense is not as consistent as I'd like to see it AND that it seems like there are issues with in-game adjustments to opponents' defensive tactics.

Plus, I think your comparison points are well-taken, but I don't think GOTA's implication is as fallacious as you feel it is, since there are never any sets of circumstances as precise as you mention when comparing two (or more) QBs. I don't think Cameron's presence and influence with the success of Brees, or Flacco, is as easy as an "if-then", but it's very likely that it's a factor.

[Kevlar]

I hope Cam goes, just so that I don't have to keep reading every single thread on every single Ravens board turn into a Ravens-OC bashing fest. However, y'all should be careful what you wish for...

It can't get any worse. Cameron's offenses are on par with Matt Cavanaugh's. With the level of talent the Ravens have on O that is just ridiculous.

[redmike34]

It can't get any worse. Cameron's offenses are on par with Matt Cavanaugh's. With the level of talent the Ravens have on O that is just ridiculous.

It can't get worse? Really? So you'd willingly trade the Browns their offense of the last four years for ours?

[Kevlar]

It can't get worse? Really? So you'd willingly trade the Browns their offense of the last four years for ours?

The Browns have bad players. I didn't say I'd trade Ozzie to them. But I'd gladly send Cam packing. I'm sure the Browns OC is a lot better. He gets something out of nothing every week, instead of what we get, nothing out of something pretty good.

[leachisabeast]

The Browns have bad players. I didn't say I'd trade Ozzie to them. But I'd gladly send Cam packing. I'm sure the Browns OC is a lot better. He gets something out of nothing every week, instead of what we get, nothing out of something pretty good.

Childress is definitely better then Cam, but they don't win we do.