Obligatory Fire Cam Thread

[akashicrecorder]

Don't you have a run play that you have a reasonable degree of confidence in to get you 2 yards??

Actually, unless we're home, we probably don't. Rice had very little success tonight.

[Haloti92]

Even if the pass WAS there, it would have been stupid to throw it. The receiver could have dropped the pass and stopped the clock.

That would have given the Steelers about 1:55 to down down and kick a field goal to force OT.

Running...in any direction...even if they stop you, burns 40 seconds and leaves a time out free Steelers 1:20 to go the length of the field. (Which is what ultimately happened)

But it's 2 freaking yards! And you've got a good running game. Getting the 2 yards wins the game outright! If you miss, you still come out okay. Those are really the only two likely scenarios.

But passing...even dropping back to pass...SO MUCH CAN GO WRONG with no more advantage than you'd have running.

The call was indescribably stupid, no doubt, but I think if someone is wide open you definitely throw it. Of course something can go wrong, but you don't lose the game if it does, you just give the other team another 35 seconds. On the flip-side, a first down (nothing goes wrong) wins the game.

So there is a trade-off involved here, but using reasonable assumptions it is never worth it, mainly because, as you said, the odds of throwing for it would never be significantly (enough) better than the odds of running for it. But I suspect Cameron deluded himself into thinking we had literally a 0% chance of running for it, and his "genius" of throwing it would mean someone would be wide open and the odds we make it throwing it would be like 90% (in his mind). Of course this is nonsense, but Cameron seemed to be thinking something along these lines; that or he was trying to lose the game.

[Ravenous1]

That call was amazing. There are times when you have to have the guts to go WIN the game, but geez, that was way beyond guts. That just seemed reckless. Don't you have a run play that you have a reasonable degree of confidence in to get you 2 yards??

There is a better word to describe what you just described.....Stupid...the play was just plain stupid

We won so its all good I guess

[Sua Sponte]

He was told to take a sack if the pass wasn't there.
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Yeah Joe just take the Sack if it is not there, no big deal. Don't worry about the strip sack, who Woodley and Harrison are very good at especially when it's Joe cool.

Lame, Lame and....... LAME

[mickeyotc]

It seems to me the only way you even consider throwing it in that situation (and even then, I don't think you should) would be to have Joe up under center and play action to a short dump off pass.

[4G63]

Even in the face of a win, the personal attacks fly.

You did see me "flush" myself, right?

In all seriousness, I don't think anyone can defend that play call. No even Cam. Lets say Big Ben is playing; do you want to give him the ball back with around a minute left? Thats how Cam has to call the game at that point. He cannot give them the ball and that call was wrong on so many levels at that point.

[B-more Ravor]

It seems to me the only way you even consider throwing it in that situation (and even then, I don't think you should) would be to have Joe up under center and play action to a short dump off pass.Tj

This.

[goodandfast]

You can pitch the execution word all day, just like Cam. If your strategy sucks and the players don't by it and/or the Defense executes better because they know what you are going to do anyway than it is moot. Defense has to execute too and it's not hard against Cam. Some times you just have to rely on good ole statistics. Let me think if we call a SG pass play what are the negatives (INC (stops the clock), INT (even worse), strip sack). If we run, get stopped short (clock keeps running, [positive], fumble (not as likely, keep 2 hands on the ball the whole time). Line up Jumbo and run the stretch to the right that worked for 3-4 yards all night.

Pass = 3 negatives
Run = 1 negative

You decide.....

It's classic Cam. If the situation calls for something obvious, he goes with something out of the box. If the situation calls for something out of the box, he calls something simple.

[runrayrun27]

As much as it is Cam's fault (I HATE HIM), I still look at Flacco too. He has the ability to audible. He could have went in the huddle and said wow Cam you're not very bright and change the play or you know audible at the line

[alienrace]

It's classic Cam. If the situation calls for something obvious, he goes with something out of the box. If the situation calls for something out of the box, he calls something simple.

There's a time and place to throw on 3rd and 2. This wasn't it. Neither was going deep on the previous drive that came down to a 3rd and 2. They've done this a number of times this year. When they really just needed sustained drives, they try this low percentage shit to try and hit a big one.

[Sua Sponte]

Should have ran the end around Cam, that would have got them.

[ravensnhokies]

No way Joe has the ability to audiblize to something else in those situational type playcalls

[Sua Sponte]

As much as it is Cam's fault (I HATE HIM), I still look at Flacco too. He has the ability to audible. He could have went in the huddle and said wow Cam you're not very bright and change the play or you know audible at the line

Yeah with 3 wide and no FB. He was probably told to run the play and not audible. Leach was on the side line with hands in the air campaigning for a run.

[StingerNLG]

Should have ran the end around Cam, that would have got them.

Actually with Jacoby that might have worked.

[goodandfast]

Should have ran the end around Cam, that would have got them.

Actually, if he threw in an end-around set up by the stretch zone I think we would have had something. But cam tries to set it up based on the inside run. Pitt is too stout in the middle for that, but they'll over pursue to the sidelines.

[Sua Sponte]

Actually, if he threw in an end-around set up by the stretch zone I think we would have had something. But cam tries to set it up based on the inside run. Pitt is too stout in the middle for that, but they'll over pursue to the sidelines.

It would have been 100% better than what they did and had a higher percentage of not being a negative play. I still would not prefer it, being a WR running across the formation if a LB is snooping it and lays the boom the chances of a fumble are greater than just flat out stretch run (that was working for 3-4 the few times they ran it)

[Shambla]

Yeah Joe just take the Sack if it is not there, no big deal. Don't worry about the strip sack, who Woodley and Harrison are very good at especially when it's Joe cool.

Lame, Lame and....... LAME

Agree. Given Joe's propensity to fumble (which has improved this year), I'm not going to work getting blindsided into my game plan. My jaw actually dropped when I saw us in shotgun. A pass play was bad enough, but when you need six feet to win the game and you decide to make it obvious you're throwing - let's just say he's really lucky it all worked out.

[Haloti92]

As I have said, the playcall was stupid, but much like the 2-point decision vs Dallas, there are assumptions that make it the correct call. I just happen to disagree (vehemently) with the assumptions required to make dropping back to throw it the correct call.

As an exercise, think about what you call if you are told with certainty that you have a 0% chance of getting a first down if you run it. Do you run it anyway or knee it out, tick the 35 seconds off and punt? Or do you drop back to pass? What if someone tells you that a pass attempt has a 75% of succeeding? Etc, etc. You can convince yourself that it is the "correct" call as long as you stretch the assumptions about each options' possible results.

[HoustonRaven]

You did see me "flush" myself, right?

In all seriousness, I don't think anyone can defend that play call. No even Cam. Lets say Big Ben is playing; do you want to give him the ball back with around a minute left? Thats how Cam has to call the game at that point. He cannot give them the ball and that call was wrong on so many levels at that point.

Using Tapatalk so didn't see the flush.

It's all good.

[Kevlar]

I don't know what game you were all watching, but it is obvious to me Cam is a genius. On a level never before seen genius.

I mean its 3 and 14 early in the game. Do you go for a pass near the first down marker? No way, any idiot could make that call. It takes a true genius to call a pass behind the line of scrimmage when you need 13 yards. Just think. NO ONE IS EXPECTING IT!

The same with calling a shotgun pass play when you need just a few more seconds off the clock to ice the game. NO ONE IS EXPECTING IT. It takes a true offensive GURU to channel plays like this.

And you all aren't giving Cam the credit he deserves for the GAME WINNING punt return for a touchdown that HE CALLED! It was a beautifully designed signature Cameron play. The defense had no chance of stopping it. It was designed by an offensive mastermind.