Obligatory Fire Cam Thread

[alienrace]

I saw Flacco throw about 7 or 8 sideline routes high. He was horrible.

I'm loving a win on the road against the #1 defense and I am not gonna call anyone out but if there's a finger to be pointed, it's at the QB.

Flacco was not horrible. Most of those passes were thrown high because the Steelers had great coverage. Joe was putting it in the only place he could most of the time. Flacco was being careful, Taylor was undercutting a lot of these sideline routes. It was prudent to be careful in this game, because the Steelers had very little offense.

After a night to think about it, the problem last night was not just Cam(he was bad, no question), but once again, our offensive line, which is so dominant at home, was once again terrible on the road. Now I know last night the opponent had something to do with that, but this is too much of a pattern to just be coincidence.

[Jsmoove]

I sat there and called that play before it happened i knew they were going to run rice right up the gut if i knew it the steelers seen it a mile away, flacco is 6'6 all he had to do is lean over and get a first down. The problem with calling games like that its that it will have us sittin at home after visiting a home playoff teams.

[wickedsolo]

To me, the biggest issue with the road offense (aside from the offense) is what alienrace eluded to with the OL...it's bad on the road.

However, I think the biggest reason why they are bad on the road is because D's have keyed onto tendencies and are timing the snaps perfectly. Harrison and Keisel both got called for offsides because they were timing the snap.

In shotgun formations:
Yanda taps/waves hand behind Birk...Birk bobs head...and then Birk snaps it. Just for haha's I timed it myself and a good majority of the shotgun plays it was about a 1 or 2 Mississippi count after Birk's head-bob that he snapped the ball back to Flacco.

You're putting your OL at a serious disadvantage when the D knows the snap count.

[NCRAVEN]

To me, the biggest issue with the road offense (aside from the offense) is what alienrace eluded to with the OL...it's bad on the road.

However, I think the biggest reason why they are bad on the road is because D's have keyed onto tendencies and are timing the snaps perfectly. Harrison and Keisel both got called for offsides because they were timing the snap.

In shotgun formations:
Yanda taps/waves hand behind Birk...Birk bobs head...and then Birk snaps it. Just for haha's I timed it myself and a good majority of the shotgun plays it was about a 1 or 2 Mississippi count after Birk's head-bob that he snapped the ball back to Flacco.

You're putting your OL at a serious disadvantage when the D knows the snap count.

Something so simple to change, too. Think they'll change it?

[Jsmoove]

If we see that, then we know defenses are licking their chops in film rooms.

[JohnBKistler]

Harrison and Keisel both got called for offsides because they were timing the snap.

Huh? If they were timing the snap (and the Ravens were doing nothing to vary the timing), why were they offsides, then? Can't have it both ways...

[alienrace]

Something so simple to change, too. Think they'll change it?

Maybe, but then you'll have Blind Mike having 3 or 4 false starts.

[pslholder96]

Making matters worse is that IF they REALLY wanted to run a pass play, they should have just called a max-protect shot play on 2nd down because the clock was at 2:04... NO MATTER WHAT the clock is going to stop, so why not line up in the I, run play-action, and take a shot? If you hit the play you'll be in a clock stoppage anyway w/the 2 minute warning, if it's incomplete it won't matter anyway!

There were a few good play calls last night, but overall it was a terrible effort by Cam, execution notwithstanding. There's no way anyone can defend him anymore. The difference between home and road offense is very simple: Cam calling the plays on the road is bad, Joe running the no-huddle and adjusting the offense at home is good. That's the explanation.

I'm also seriously beginning to question the entire offensive staff and their ability to run effective practices. Seeing Flacco and his WRs completely out of sync and off rhythm on the sideline passes, seeing Rice consistently miss open holes and leave yards on the field, and seeing the OL running the same snap count routine and getting beat over and over...

The offense just looks uncoached way too often. As a matter of fact so does the defense, but that's another story.

That's not true. The reason the clock was at 2:04 is because Tomlin burned his last timeout. The ravens ran a play and then the two minute warning came. It was 3rd down at the 2:00 warning when play resumed.

[pslholder96]

Flacco was not horrible. Most of those passes were thrown high because the Steelers had great coverage. Joe was putting it in the only place he could most of the time. Flacco was being careful, Taylor was undercutting a lot of these sideline routes. It was prudent to be careful in this game, because the Steelers had very little offense.

After a night to think about it, the problem last night was not just Cam(he was bad, no question), but once again, our offensive line, which is so dominant at home, was once again terrible on the road. Now I know last night the opponent had something to do with that, but this is too much of a pattern to just be coincidence.

The steelers did have great coverage and I would argue that alot of that was the Ravens tendency to have Joe throw the ball outside of the hashmarks. I couldn't tell what kind of coverage the Steelers had going on but I have to believe the middle of the field was available during the game. But yet again the middle of the field on the road is like the bermuda triangle for this offense.

[wickedsolo]

Huh? If they were timing the snap (and the Ravens were doing nothing to vary the timing), why were they offsides, then? Can't have it both ways...

Because they were counting. Yes, they were off-sides (barely...I actually thought the off-sides on Harrison was questionable)...but it was because they were trying to time the snap count and jump it.

If you don't believe me, watch during the San Diego game. They'll probably do the same thing.

[Jsmoove]

Do some of these guys realize we only scored 6points on offense last night???that aint gonna cut it come late december and January Thank god for special teams and jacoby.

[nickh0801]

You did see me "flush" myself, right?

In all seriousness, I don't think anyone can defend that play call. No even Cam. Lets say Big Ben is playing; do you want to give him the ball back with around a minute left? Thats how Cam has to call the game at that point. He cannot give them the ball and that call was wrong on so many levels at that point.

Maybe Cam made that call because Ben wasn't playing. Maybe he calls a different play in that situation if Ben was playing. Maybe, just maybe Cam called that play knowing a banged up Leftwhich had to drive down the field in a minutes time with NO time outs. That said, they should have just ran the damn ball. Get the first, game over, don't, the same situation occurs where time runs off the clock as the sack.

[rharris1986]

Isn't it amazing how the Ravens have consistently improved the offense talent on this team over the last five years and yet the results (and EXCUSES) for the offense's poor performance have ALWAYS remained the same - if only we had better execution! Better yet - "Bush" did it! I feel sorry for any of you who believe that the overall results this year will be any different from the first four. They may make the playoffs - but there won't be any road wins.

Do some of these guys realize we only scored 6points on offense last night???that aint gonna cut it come late december and January Thank god for special teams and jacoby.

[Jsmoove]

Maybe Cam made that call because Ben wasn't playing. Maybe he calls a different play in that situation if Ben was playing. Maybe, just maybe Cam called that play knowing a banged up Leftwhich had to drive down the field in a minutes time with NO time outs. That said, they should have just ran the damn ball. Get the first, game over, don't, the same situation occurs where time runs off the clock as the sack.

you play to win the game, Ben doesn't play defense.

[JAB1985]

Flacco was not horrible. Most of those passes were thrown high because the Steelers had great coverage. Joe was putting it in the only place he could most of the time. Flacco was being careful, Taylor was undercutting a lot of these sideline routes. It was prudent to be careful in this game, because the Steelers had very little offense.

After a night to think about it, the problem last night was not just Cam(he was bad, no question), but once again, our offensive line, which is so dominant at home, was once again terrible on the road. Now I know last night the opponent had something to do with that, but this is too much of a pattern to just be coincidence.

Id agree with both things. the main thing smith uses is his speed. hes either going deep and blowing by you if youre too close or using that big cushion to stop underneath. They effectively took that away last night, and i wouldnt be surprised to see a lot more of that going forward with how successful it was.

I also see the OL as having difficulties and that probably has a lot to do with 2 inexperienced players being on the line.

To me, the biggest issue with the road offense (aside from the offense) is what alienrace eluded to with the OL...it's bad on the road.

However, I think the biggest reason why they are bad on the road is because D's have keyed onto tendencies and are timing the snaps perfectly. Harrison and Keisel both got called for offsides because they were timing the snap.

In shotgun formations:
Yanda taps/waves hand behind Birk...Birk bobs head...and then Birk snaps it. Just for haha's I timed it myself and a good majority of the shotgun plays it was about a 1 or 2 Mississippi count after Birk's head-bob that he snapped the ball back to Flacco.

You're putting your OL at a serious disadvantage when the D knows the snap count.

I was doing the same and literally yelling at my tv which isnt something i normally do. I have no idea if thats by design or just a bad habit, but Birk clearly gives away the count every single time. The other thing they do is the Yanda Ass pat where he let him know when to spike it. How is Yanda turned around looking at FLacco beneficial to us? Im not sure if thats on Moeller or Cameron but to me it shows ineptitude.

[bensmotorcyclehelmt]

Doesn't someone around here has that tagline and the picture of cam that says,

"3rd and 2. Send everyone deeep!!!!"

[JMUpurkfool]

The Offense definitely switched up the silent count during the game last night. It was the first time this year that we had drawn the opponent offsides on the road.

I don't think you can point the finger at Flacco. He was around 60% completion and no turnovers. The offensive line did not hold up their end at all. Matt Birk and Jah Reid sucked.

Cam needs to find ways to get the ball in Torrey's hands when the other team is trying to take him away. Screens, shallow crosses, reverse, double reverses, something. You can't have the best big play guy on your team be a non factor.

[Ravens44]

On offense, with the play calling and route running, what has changed since the Texan playoff game last season?

NOTHING. We have the No Huddle, but we have run that before over the last 4 years, but only when we HAD TO.
The play calling is the same. The receiver routes are THE SAME.
They showed it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, last night.
Our receivers run and MAKE ONE MOVE AND THAT'S IT.
When they make their cut, EVERY DEFENDER IN THE NFL KNOWS THAT'S IT!
So, when their guy makes a cut and turns out to the sideline, the defender KNOWS to undercut.
The Steelers did that ALL NIGHT LONG and the Ravens, at no point, adjusted.
That is why Joe was overthrowing because there was always a defender underneath.
A perfect throw in that situation would be 6 points the other way.

Run a double move on the outside with Boldin and Pitta going over the middle to FORCE up the safeties to ACCOUNT for them. But even that doesn't work unless we complete some passes in the middle of the field.
Make the defenders defend the ENTIRE field, not just the sidelines.
Cam does not see and does not learn. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to adjust.
The way to break a Tampa 2 is to throw over the middle making the linebacker move away from the intended receiver. A really good linebacker in a Tampa 2 drops deep.
If they just double up on Torrey, have a safety play deep middle, and single up on Jones or Boldin, make them pay.

[Ravens44]

Huh? If they were timing the snap (and the Ravens were doing nothing to vary the timing), why were they offsides, then? Can't have it both ways...

Because if they are just looking at when the ball is snapped (which is what one is taught), they would never be offsides, they would just react.
But since they were being so successful timing the snap, a few times they moved just a little too soon.
By the way, that is why other teams are so successful timing their blitzes...they start moving after Yanda signals Birk.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

On offense, with the play calling and route running, what has changed since the Texan playoff game last season?

NOTHING. We have the No Huddle, but we have run that before over the last 4 years, but only when we HAD TO.
The play calling is the same. The receiver routes are THE SAME.
They showed it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, last night.
Our receivers run and MAKE ONE MOVE AND THAT'S IT.
When they make their cut, EVERY DEFENDER IN THE NFL KNOWS THAT'S IT!
So, when their guy makes a cut and turns out to the sideline, the defender KNOWS to undercut.
The Steelers did that ALL NIGHT LONG and the Ravens, at no point, adjusted.
That is why Joe was overthrowing because there was always a defender underneath.
A perfect throw in that situation would be 6 points the other way.

Run a double move on the outside with Boldin and Pitta going over the middle to FORCE up the safeties to ACCOUNT for them. But even that doesn't work unless we complete some passes in the middle of the field.
Make the defenders defend the ENTIRE field, not just the sidelines.
Cam does not see and does not learn. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to adjust.
The way to break a Tampa 2 is to throw over the middle making the linebacker move away from the intended receiver. A really good linebacker in a Tampa 2 drops deep.
If they just double up on Torrey, have a safety play deep middle, and single up on Jones or Boldin, make them pay.

Of course, Cam doesn't believe in all that newfangled, peacenik, Commie, Out-and-Up type of pass route stuff that the kids are all doing nowadays.

CAM IS A REAL AMERICAN

So, he insists on doing everything the right way.





You know, HIS WAY.