To all the Harbaugh haters....

[Haloti92]

Barry Switzer won a SB. Dan Marino didn't.

Regardless, the poster said the both had done well, he wasn't comparing, there were no excuses, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

He implied Tomlin has had it easier (had QB, had DC, etc, etc), presumably in an attempt to make Harbaugh's achievements look better in comparison.

[B-more Ravor]

He implied Tomlin has had it easier (had QB, had DC, etc, etc), presumably in an attempt to make Harbaugh's achievements look better in comparison.

Is that inaccurate?

He also concluded that they both were good coaches.

He didn't say Harbaugh was better, which seems to be 82's issue.

[Haloti92]

Is that inaccurate?

He also concluded that they both were good coaches.

He didn't say Harbaugh was better, which seems to be 82's issue.

It isn't inaccurate, it is irrelevant, unless you are trying to diminish Tomlin's achievements.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Huh? Having to call two timeouts to prevent a delay of game is called "wasting" them. You have 35 seconds to get the play and do your pre-snap reads. 99% of the time that should be automatic. I can live with one timeout being burned that way. But two? No way

How is that Tomlin's fault?
If anything that's on Leftwich but seeing as he hasn't been under the pressure of a real game in years, is it all that surprising that he made that type of mistake?

[B-more Ravor]

It isn't inaccurate, it is irrelevant, unless you are trying to diminish Tomlin's achievements.

No, he was pointing out that they have both done well, especially given the emphasis in this thread on diminishing Harbaugh's accomplishments.

God-forbide the Ravens start losing (with or without Harbaugh), this place - this town - will be totally unbearable.

[B-more Ravor]

How is that Tomlin's fault?
If anything that's on Leftwich but seeing as he hasn't been under the pressure of a real game in years, is it all that surprising that he made that type of mistake?

Agreed. That's something that can - and often, will - happen when you're forced to play your back-up QB.

[alienrace]

They are both good coaches. Tomlin has the slight edge IMO because he got to a superbowl. No, I don't count the first one, because that was Cowher's team through and through. Just like Joe Altobelli winning the WS in '83 with Earl's team.

Harbaugh will have gotten his team to the playoffs in all five of his years thus far. Tomlin can't even say that. But, until he gets to a superbowl, people are going to give Tomlin the edge.

[Haloti92]

No, he was pointing out that they have both done well, especially given the emphasis on this thread on diminishing Harbaugh's accomplishments.

God-forbide the Ravens start losing (with or without Harbaugh), this place - this town - will be totally unbearable.

No, you don't need to talk about and compare what each inherited to point out that they both have "done well." You only do that to try to explain away the differences in results, which could be reasonably described as making excuses for the one with the lesser results.

[B-more Ravor]

They are both good coaches. Tomlin has the slight edge IMO because he got to a superbowl. No, I don't count the first one, because that was Cowher's team through and through. Just like Joe Altobelli winning the WS in '83 with Earl's team.

Harbaugh will have gotten his team to the playoffs in all five of his years thus far. Tomlin can't even say that. But, until he gets to a superbowl, people are going to give Tomlin the edge.

Agreed.

[Kevlar]

I'm glad the Ravens have Hard Balls.

[B-more Ravor]

No, you don't need to talk about and compare what each inherited to point out that they both have "done well." You only do that to try to explain away the differences in results, which could be reasonably described as making excuses for the one with the lesser results.

OK, I guess I didn't take it that way. Only DreamJo can say what his intention was, but I only took it as an acknowledgement that both inherited different circumstances and both did well in this circumstances. Tomlin followed a legend and took over a team with high expectations. Harbaugh took over a team that had past success, but that looking (at the time) at a bit of a rebuild. The expectations for him were far less and the pressure was far less, than what Tomlin faced, IMO.

Still, they both did do well in the different situations.

IMO, you can acknowledge the differences in their situations, without it being excuses to support Harbaugh. Or, at least, that's my reading of it. But, perhaps, I was insinuating my thinking into what was written.

[AirFlacco]

Agreed.

HARBS has beaten Tomlin 6 times to Tomlin's 5 wins vs him.

But Tomlin has been to the SB and has a ring while losing to GB to HARBs none and often knocks him out of the SB picture like up there with 2 mins left and Jen goes 3d and 19
and Boldin and TJ drop TDs.

[wickedsolo]

Please explain...

Don't bother.

[dreamjo]

OK, I guess I didn't take it that way. Only DreamJo can say what his intention was, but I only took it as an acknowledgement that both inherited different circumstances and both did well in this circumstances. Tomlin followed a legend and took over a team with high expectations. Harbaugh took over a team that had past success, but that looking (at the time) at a bit of a rebuild. The expectations for him were far less and the pressure was far less, than what Tomlin faced, IMO.

Still, they both did do well in the different situations.

IMO, you can acknowledge the differences in their situations, without it being excuses to support Harbaugh. Or, at least, that's my reading of it. But, perhaps, I was insinuating my thinking into what was written.

B-more Ravor, you seem to understand the version of the English language I'm using. I honestly believe if you swapped the two coaches' situations, the results of both squads would be largely the same. I had bowed out of the discussion because I had accepted "agreeing to disagree" awhile ago. Oh, and I'm not a "he".

[srobert96]

He also had Bruce Arians at OC, and Lebeau at DC during his two SB runs, aswell as a very talented defense, and Ben Roethlisberger.

Ding ding ding. This is my biggest problem with Harbaugh. I like Harbaugh as a HC but am not crazy about his choice of coordinators.

[somedumbguy]

Ding ding ding. This is my biggest problem with Harbaugh. I like Harbaugh as a HC but am not crazy about his choice of coordinators.

Offensive Coordinator. The defensive ones keep getting head coaching jobs.

[Bhcforlife]

I don't understand why you would base this thread on Tomlin's clock management last night, when that very thing is something that Harbaugh has been absolutely miserable at over the course of five years.

If you want to say you prefer Harbaugh over Tomlin (outside of the Ravens fanbase, very few would feel that way IMO) then that is fine, both are good coaches, but don't see how you can base that on Tomlin's clock management vs. Harbaugh's...

[B-more Ravor]

B-more Ravor, you seem to understand the version of the English language I'm using. I honestly believe if you swapped the two coaches' situations, the results of both squads would be largely the same. I had bowed out of the discussion because I had accepted "agreeing to disagree" awhile ago. Oh, and I'm not a "he".

Ooops, sorry.

[Haloti92]

B-more Ravor, you seem to understand the version of the English language I'm using. I honestly believe if you swapped the two coaches' situations, the results of both squads would be largely the same. I had bowed out of the discussion because I had accepted "agreeing to disagree" awhile ago. Oh, and I'm not a "he".

So, B-More Ravor didn't seem to understand the version of English you were using since he was claiming you were not trying to compare the two coaches or say they were equal, which you now confirm you were.

[dreamjo]

OK, both inherited different circumstances and both did well in this circumstances. Tomlin followed a legend and took over a team with high expectations. Harbaugh took over a team that had past success, but that looking (at the time) at a bit of a rebuild. The expectations for him were far less and the pressure was far less, than what Tomlin faced, IMO.

Still, they both did do well in the different situations.

Yes, exactly. This isn't that hard to understand.