Question About the Offsides Penalty at the 2:00 Warning

**BlackSunday** · 11-19-2012, 12:28 AM

Given that the Slags were trying, with some success, to time the snap count for most of the game, I wonder if we did anything unusual on that play to throw them off and score an offsides penalty at a critical moment.

If not, the outcome was fortuitous, to say the least.

BS

**Boulderraven** · 11-19-2012, 12:31 AM

Not really they knew it was a pass play, so they tried to guess the snap. But what was dumber was not running on 3rd and 2. Had Joe thrown an incomplete pass or got sacked and fumbles would of made things much harder. Cam called a VERY BAD GAME AGAIN.

**goodandfast** · 11-19-2012, 12:34 AM

Here's a question: didn't the Steelers have to call back to back time-outs? Isn't that illegal? Why was there no penalty?

I might be remembering incorrectly.

**runrayrun27** · 11-19-2012, 12:35 AM

There was a play in between

Originally Posted by goodandfast

Here's a question: didn't the Steelers have to call back to back time-outs? Isn't that illegal? Why was there no penalty?

I might be remembering incorrectly.

**goodandfast** · 11-19-2012, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by runrayrun27

There was a play in between

Thanks, I must've gotten up during the first time out and missed the play in between.

**Brtnder81** · 11-19-2012, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Not really they knew it was a pass play, so they tried to guess the snap. But what was dumber was not running on 3rd and 2. Had Joe thrown an incomplete pass or got sacked and fumbles would of made things much harder. Cam called a VERY BAD GAME AGAIN.

I think it was one of those things where they told joe to hold the ball and only throw it if it was wide open and if it wasnt to just run as much clock as possible then take the sack

**Gabrosin** · 11-19-2012, 12:58 AM

Huge tactical mistake by Tomlin to call their last timeout on the other side of the two-minute warning. Even without the offsides penalty to get us there and let us run another play, using the timeout there gives us the freedom to pass without the downside of an incomplete stopping the clock.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-19-2012, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Gabrosin

Huge tactical mistake by Tomlin to call their last timeout on the other side of the two-minute warning. Even without the offsides penalty to get us there and let us run another play, using the timeout there gives us the freedom to pass without the downside of an incomplete stopping the clock.

It was a head scratcher to blow a TO over so few seconds... and when they ran the ball down the field and had a 4th and 2 I was so glad they kicked the field goal. Can't believe they didn't go for it.

**Dirt1** · 11-19-2012, 08:43 AM

The question I had about last night's game had to do with the injury time out for Jerricho Cotchery with 22 seconds left to go in the game. The Steelers were out of time outs, so why wasn't there a 10 second run off?

**SNAFU** · 11-19-2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

The question I had about last night's game had to do with the injury time out for Jerricho Cotchery with 22 seconds left to go in the game. The Steelers were out of time outs, so why wasn't there a 10 second run off?

The 10-second runoff is only for when the clock is continuously running. The incompletion stopped the clock automatically.

**pslholder96** · 11-19-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

The question I had about last night's game had to do with the injury time out for Jerricho Cotchery with 22 seconds left to go in the game. The Steelers were out of time outs, so why wasn't there a 10 second run off?

The 10 second rule applies when certain penalties are committed to stop the clock in the last minute of either half. It doesn't apply to injuries.

**pslholder96** · 11-19-2012, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

The 10 second rule applies when certain penalties are committed to stop the clock in the last minute of either half. It doesn't apply to injuries.

Oops. I take it back. I reread the rules. SNAFU was correct actually. So if an injury occurred with the clock continuously running then the Steelers would have been docked 10 seconds. But because of an incomplete pass the clock automatically stops anyway.

**moose10101** · 11-19-2012, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Gabrosin

Huge tactical mistake by Tomlin to call their last timeout on the other side of the two-minute warning. Even without the offsides penalty to get us there and let us run another play, using the timeout there gives us the freedom to pass without the downside of an incomplete stopping the clock.

Exactly. They would have saved 7 or 8 seconds (the length of the play), but they let the Ravens open the entire playbook instead of forcing them to run or to only throw a pass that had virtually no risk (as they tried on the last play where Flacco took the sack. And then they screwed themselves by jumping offside.

**JAB1985** · 11-19-2012, 09:08 AM

I didnt notice anything too different. Same old tells they did the entire game. Wouldnt be much of a benefit to give them an advantage for 99% of the game just to trick them once if you needed to late.

**Sua Sponte** · 11-19-2012, 11:41 AM

I got one. How about when Ray Rice ran up the middle and Farrior got called for a trip (D penalty) the clock stopped until the next snap. It was a run. So the only thing I could think of was that the play resulted in a 1st down resulting in the clock stopping. Is tht right?

**trailhiker85** · 11-19-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Sua Sponte

I got one. How about when Ray Rice ran up the middle and Farrior got called for a trip (D penalty) the clock stopped until the next snap. It was a run. So the only thing I could think of was that the play resulted in a 1st down resulting in the clock stopping. Is tht right?

Pretty sure that was Larry Foote. James Farrior is out of football these days.

**phacts** · 11-19-2012, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sua Sponte

I got one. How about when Ray Rice ran up the middle and Farrior got called for a trip (D penalty) the clock stopped until the next snap. It was a run. So the only thing I could think of was that the play resulted in a 1st down resulting in the clock stopping. Is tht right?

The clock doesn't stop on a 1st down in the NFL. I was confused by this as well... I thought once the ball was spotted and the ref blew the ready for play whistle the clock would restart, but it didn't appear to. I have no idea why not.

**Sua Sponte** · 11-19-2012, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by trailhiker85

Pretty sure that was Larry Foote. James Farrior is out of football these days.

Yeah Foote. My Bad so use to Farrior being in the middle.

**moose10101** · 11-19-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by phacts

I was confused by this as well... I thought once the ball was spotted and the ref blew the ready for play whistle the clock would restart, but it didn't appear to. I have no idea why not.

No, it didn't restart, and I couldn't find anything in my memory banks to indicate whether it should have.

Found it. Rule 4, Section 3, Article 2f:

If the game clock is stopped after a down in which there was a foul by either team, following
enforcement or declination of a penalty, the game clock will start as if the foul had not occurred,
except that the clock will start on the snap if:

(1) the foul occurs after the two-minute warning of the first half;
(2) the foul occurs inside the last five minutes of the second half; or
(3) a specific rule prescribes otherwise.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...ame_Timing.pdf

So the refs handled it correctly.