If there was one player you could bring back from the past....

**leachisabeast** · 11-22-2012, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Oh come on, Willie Roaf? Anthony Munoz? Heck even Walter Jones and Orlando Pace were pretty close to Ogden. He was a dominant LT, but hardly the best in a generation.

Did you ever watch the way he played? This is why he'll be a first ballot HOF this year. Just dominant LT's don't make the HOF.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-22-2012, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Oh come on, Willie Roaf? Anthony Munoz? Heck even Walter Jones and Orlando Pace were pretty close to Ogden. He was a dominant LT, but hardly the best in a generation.

JO is routinely compared to Munoz and will most likely get in the HoF.

I'd say that puts JO on firm footing as generational greatness.

**dandrews** · 11-22-2012, 09:26 AM

Just to name someone different, how about Derrick Mason?

**Bazooka Joe** · 11-22-2012, 10:11 AM

Adalius Thomas. He was the major reason we were effective with organized chaos.

My top 5
1. AD
2. JO
3. Jamal Lewis (paired with Ray Rice)
4. Peter Bouleware
5. Derrick Mason

**Boulderraven** · 11-22-2012, 11:37 AM

Not even close, not including players on this team already. But JO by a mile. DISTANT second before knee injuries Michael McCrary.

**Boulderraven** · 11-22-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens75

There's no LT in the league today that are as good as JO and its not even close. At nearly 6' 10" and 350lbs he was the strongest player on the field and arguably the most athletic. In his prime the only player I ever remember giving him problems was the 6'6" Jason Taylor who was freakishly athletic as JO.

Players like JO come along once in a generation.

As for the players like CMac, Pete and a few others, I wonder how their style today would translate. CMac's mauling style was fine in the early aughts but now I think he would struggle with PI's and illegal contact. Boulware would've been a great all around player but I don't know if he would've been as dominant as JO.

Dwight Freeney gave JO fits, I think JO went like almost 3 years without giving up a sack, but Freeney used to beat him with spins and speed when JO had toe issues. The best rivalry was between Tony Boselli and McCrary. Epic battes. Before injury Boselli was considered the along with JO as one of the best. Boselli said McCrary was the best Dlineman he ever faced by a mile.

**Bazooka Joe** · 11-22-2012, 11:58 AM

Here is a name many wouldn't think of.

JAMES HARRISON!

He was a Raven.

**Kevlar** · 11-22-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

JO is routinely compared to Munoz and will most likely get in the HoF.

I'd say that puts JO on firm footing as generational greatness.

Munoz and JO were only like 5 years apart. What is a generation to you? Its got to be at least 20 years.

**HoustonRaven** · 11-22-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Munoz and JO were only like 5 years apart. What is a generation to you? Its got to be at least 20 years.

That's an awfully persnickety perspective, IMO.

And they were drafted 16 years apart, not 5.

**Kevlar** · 11-22-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

That's an awfully persnickety perspective, IMO.

And they were drafted 16 years apart, not 5.

Look, Ogden was a tremedous LT. But I don't think anyone can claim he separated himself as much from other greats as Lewis did. Just look at the team identity. I know it wasn't anywhere close to Ogden's fault, but the offense was horrible for most of his time, where Lewis defense was always near the top. And like his dancing and yakking or not, Lewis was far and away the emotional leader of the team.

**leachisabeast** · 11-22-2012, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Look, Ogden was a tremedous LT. But I don't think anyone can claim he separated himself as much from other greats as Lewis did. Just look at the team identity. I know it wasn't anywhere close to Ogden's fault, but the offense was horrible for most of his time, where Lewis defense was always near the top. And like his dancing and yakking or not, Lewis was far and away the emotional leader of the team.

Silly comment. Ray was surrounded by so much more talent that JO ever was (apart from running backs like Jamal and Holmes). Ray is the best ILB to ever play the game IMO, but you cant just say that because the offense was never great like the defense was, that JO isn't a great. Left Tackles can only protect the QB and block for the RB at the end of the day, they can't help an offense the way the Mike LB can help a defense Look at last years SB champs, they had one of the worst starting LT's in the league (David Dielh) yet Eli was running an elite offense.

**bacchys** · 11-22-2012, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Dwight Freeney gave JO fits, I think JO went like almost 3 years without giving up a sack, but Freeney used to beat him with spins and speed when JO had toe issues. The best rivalry was between Tony Boselli and McCrary. Epic battes. Before injury Boselli was considered the along with JO as one of the best. Boselli said McCrary was the best Dlineman he ever faced by a mile.

My emphasis. A healthy JO stymied everybody. He shut down The Freak when no one else in the league was doing it.

**cealex1223** · 11-22-2012, 08:28 PM

Boulware and McCrary, no doubt. Maybe the last "fit" and athletic DL the Ravens had.

**Terpsfan82** · 11-22-2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by cealex1223

Boulware and McCrary, no doubt. Maybe the last "fit" and athletic DL the Ravens had.

Exactly. They started drafting non athletic fat guys who could stop the run, and non athletic lbs who could stop the run (AD excluded).

**cealex1223** · 11-22-2012, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

Exactly. They started drafting non athletic fat guys who could stop the run, and non athletic lbs who could stop the run (AD excluded).

Completely agree.

**Kevlar** · 11-23-2012, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Silly comment. Ray was surrounded by so much more talent that JO ever was (apart from running backs like Jamal and Holmes). Ray is the best ILB to ever play the game IMO, but you cant just say that because the offense was never great like the defense was, that JO isn't a great. Left Tackles can only protect the QB and block for the RB at the end of the day, they can't help an offense the way the Mike LB can help a defense Look at last years SB champs, they had one of the worst starting LT's in the league (David Dielh) yet Eli was running an elite offense.

You wouldn't need a time machine to replace Ogden. Hell, just trade for Joe Thomas. Lewis on the other hand, either find him a fountain of youth or send a time machine back to get Dick Butkus.

**Ravens75** · 11-23-2012, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Kevlar

Oh come on, Willie Roaf? Anthony Munoz? Heck even Walter Jones and Orlando Pace were pretty close to Ogden. He was a dominant LT, but hardly the best in a generation.

I don't even want to argue with you because you always take the contrarian view of things.

The players you named were great especially Munoz but JO was on another level. Trust me those guys you mentioned and the teams they played for would've traded them plus picks for JO. As a matter of fact all of them except Walter Jones played for more than one team which showed that at some point their teams simply didn't value them as they once did (In fairness Roaf's situation was more complicated).

As for you alluding to Joe Thomas being on JO's level, I disagree. Thomas is great but he's not a generational player. In addition Munoz and Ogden were like 15 years apart. That's constitutes a generation imo.

**leachisabeast** · 11-23-2012, 08:09 AM

Joe Thomas is a great player, but he is no where near being a first ballot HOFer like JO is. Thomas is not at the level that JO was at, laughable comparing them.

**Fcowher** · 11-23-2012, 10:24 AM

Stevon Moore, he was easily our best safety ever.

**AirFlacco** · 11-23-2012, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Bazooka Joe

Adalius Thomas. He was the major reason we were effective with organized chaos.

My top 5
1. AD
2. JO
3. Jamal Lewis (paired with Ray Rice)
4. Peter Bouleware
5. Derrick Mason

I forgot about AD. He was great here but didn't do so hot after he left, like so many others when they left
the system.