My Flacco Theory

**scrock** · 11-21-2012, 11:36 AM

Joe is a good QB, sometimes Joe is a great QB but he's not consistent

Since Joe came into the league he's never missed the playoffs, never failed to win a playoff game. Each year they seem to progress and they finally win the division and fall a play short of the Superbowl. Joe's reality is that the playoffs come easy, maybe somewhere along the way he stopped working as hard or he just takes it for granted.

Another year, another playoff run...I hope he turns it on again come playoff time, I know he can...its just this consistency thing

Just some thoughts...I hope he's one of the hardest workers, needs to be

**ActualSpamBot** · 11-21-2012, 11:52 AM

This theory has less to support it than three legged pool table.

**HKusp** · 11-21-2012, 11:57 AM

To quote the movie 48 hours, "pretty fuckin' thin..."

**13ravenfan** · 11-21-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by scrock

Since Joe came into the league he's never missed the playoffs, never failed to win a playoff game.

According to my recollection, he has been in the playoffs four years and the Ravens have lost prior to the SB each year, so he has at least 4 playoff losses. I believe his postseason record is 5-4, so I don't understand your position at all...

**HKusp** · 11-21-2012, 12:00 PM

I think he means he has at least 1 playoff win each season.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-21-2012, 12:04 PM

my theory is that he likes to burn some kush right before road game kickoff

**edtude** · 11-21-2012, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by HKusp

To quote the movie 48 hours, "pretty fuckin' thin..."

That was actually Lethal Weapon

**Corey** · 11-21-2012, 12:35 PM

I don't buy it. If anything, being so close has made Joe and others want it MORE.

**palukaraven** · 11-21-2012, 12:37 PM

I highly doubt Flacco has become complacent and lazy.

**bensmotorcyclehelmt** · 11-21-2012, 12:41 PM

Flacco looked awfully complacent and lazy against the Pats in the AFC CG last year, right?

**lobachevsky** · 11-21-2012, 12:44 PM

Alternative theory: Everyone on the offense beyond the sound of Flacco's voice gets off the snap a half-second late relative to the defense with their heads turned because they have to watch for the snap. Not a problem in M&T where the crowd knows when to STFU, but on the road it destroys his timing with TEs and WRs & blows up running plays that don't go straight ahead. So Joe plays like a hero at home & a zero abroad. Fix this (how? you got me, kidz) & you fix the offense.

**Shambla** · 11-21-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

my theory is that he likes to burn some kush right before road game kickoff

Hmm...there's a chance we could be going to Denver in the playoffs.

**wickedsolo** · 11-21-2012, 01:09 PM

My theory is that we cannot fairy gauge how good Flacco can be (or is) until he as at least 2 years in a modern offense.

**wickedsolo** · 11-21-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by bensmotorcyclehelmt

Flacco looked awfully complacent and lazy against the Pats in the AFC CG last year, right?

**Ravens44** · 11-21-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by scrock

Joe is a good QB, sometimes Joe is a great QB but he's not consistent

Since Joe came into the league he's never missed the playoffs, never failed to win a playoff game. Each year they seem to progress and they finally win the division and fall a play short of the Superbowl. Joe's reality is that the playoffs come easy, maybe somewhere along the way he stopped working as hard or he just takes it for granted.

Another year, another playoff run...I hope he turns it on again come playoff time, I know he can...its just this consistency thing

Just some thoughts...I hope he's one of the hardest workers, needs to be

I heard that Ngata and Upshaw hung out with Joe because he had all this food and a huge TV down in his basement.
They just ate and ate and ate and got fat and watched movies...and sometimes, when they had energy, they played some video games.

That's why all three are fat and slow and out of shape...

**akashicrecorder** · 11-21-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

My theory is that we cannot fairy gauge how good Flacco can be (or is) until he as at least 2 years in a modern offense.

This is depressingly accurate.

**The Excellector** · 11-21-2012, 01:24 PM

I think most posters here recognize what my theory has been. Joe Flacco was not asked to come in a develop into the league's top Quarterback, nor was he given the reigns to strive for such on the field. He was asked to not screw it up for the defense and the rush offense. It is very difficult for a QB to develop some consistency under those circumstances.

Some have looked at his years in the league, without looking equally at the circumstances surrounding his tenure, and felt that he should be farther along than he is now. I do not agree with that. Up until this year, the team has shown the clear tendency to take the ball out of his hands the moment he struggles. That is not a good ingredient to use when you are trying to put together a consistent, high quality QB.

This is really his first year with a considerable level of control over the offense, and there is still growth involved.

Another issue is the administration of the offensive system itself, which is an OC issue. There is an improving level of talent on this offense, but not to the level needed for Cameron's variation of the Air Coryell to be most effective. Vincent Jackson is not here. Calvin Johnson is not here. Andre Johnson is not here. Nick Mangold is not here. Nor is Ryan Clady.

I think the offense they may be looking for, in the future, is more along the lines of what we saw from Indianapolis, a vertical passing offense that did a better job of using the shorter routes to set up the deeper passes. This, along with the reality that Flacco and Caldwell get along, is a reason why we should keep an eye on Caldwell in the off-season.

**scrock** · 11-21-2012, 01:47 PM

I still believe in Flacco and I know he has the ability to be one of the best so whats the problem? There's a piece of the puzzle that does not fit, now can they recognize it and will they do something about it.

I wanted Cam gone last year, maybe the road troubles are just a lot of young guys not yet learning to win consistently on the road. This isnt the same veteran team as in years past.

**Ravens44** · 11-21-2012, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

My theory is that we cannot fairy gauge how good Flacco can be (or is) until he as at least 2 years in a modern offense.

Yes, EXACTLY that and an above average center in front of him who can drive forward on running plays (resulting in 1st downs on 3rd and short) and keep from being pushed back into Joe (so he can step into his throws) on passing plays.

An OC which can be imaginative and design passing plays that result in the receivers getting separation like every other team in the NFL. The skill players ARE here.

**rharris1986** · 11-21-2012, 03:13 PM

Joe's problem (to the extent that he has one) is Cam.

Cam consistently puts Joe in plays, formation, schemes and personnel groupings that do not make maximum use of his skill set. The guy with the square peg in the round hold graphic on his posts has it nailed. The two Ray Rice runs and a 5 yard pass play when you need 8 yards offense also tends to be a drive killer.

The Ravens still haven't surrounded Joe with the talent that he needs on the O line - keeping Joe upright is 75% of the game. Having two tight ends of which only one (Pitta) can catch is also an issue.

There's not a quarterback in this league who could flurish in Cam's system.

The fact that they've done so well is a testament to Joe and the team - inspite of Cam.

Originally Posted by HKusp

To quote the movie 48 hours, "pretty fuckin' thin..."