My Flacco Theory

**RavenousD** · 11-21-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by rharris1986

Joe's problem (to the extent that he has one) is Cam.

Cam consistently puts Joe in plays, formation, schemes and personnel groupings that do not make maximum use of his skill set. The guy with the square peg in the round hold graphic on his posts has it nailed. The two Ray Rice runs and a 5 yard pass play when you need 8 yards offense also tends to be a drive killer.

The Ravens still haven't surrounded Joe with the talent that he needs on the O line - keeping Joe upright is 75% of the game. Having two tight ends of which only one (Pitta) can catch is also an issue.

There's not a quarterback in this league who could flurish in Cam's system.

The fact that they've done so well is a testament to Joe and the team - inspite of Cam.

Didn't 2 QB's in San Diego flourish in Cam's system? One won a SB the other usually is in the top 5 QB rating in the league (usually)? Just wondering what system you speak of.

Let me ask you this, do you like anything at all ever about Cam's play calling? What did you think of his play calling in the AFCCG? I never seen half those plays (which leads me to ask where did those plays go)

I know you hate Cam, I know I bust your bowls about this, but honestly, you see nothing good from Cam at all? I dont like his play calling SOMETIMES, but most the times they work.

**RavensNTerps** · 11-21-2012, 03:52 PM

Joe's problem is the early success that he had made people believe he is way better than he actually is and now the fanbase at large searches for reasons why he hasn't advanced like we thought he would after an outstanding rookie campaign. I PROMISE you that the offensive struggles are not just due to coaching. They almost never are. Am I thrilled with the AC scheme cam brings? No. But the execution is what is severely lacking when it all goes south.

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-21-2012, 03:53 PM

They're 7th in the NFL in scoring offense.

**RavensNTerps** · 11-21-2012, 03:57 PM

The following are the teams we've played and their ranking in the NFL in average QB rating against:

Bengals (21st)
Eagles (26th)
Patriots (24th)
Browns (12th)
Chiefs (30th)
Cowboys (17th)
Texans (7th)
Raiders (32nd)
Steelers (6th)

Not exactly murderer's row.

**lowrider** · 11-21-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Alternative theory: Everyone on the offense beyond the sound of Flacco's voice gets off the snap a half-second late relative to the defense with their heads turned because they have to watch for the snap. Not a problem in M&T where the crowd knows when to STFU, but on the road it destroys his timing with TEs and WRs & blows up running plays that don't go straight ahead. So Joe plays like a hero at home & a zero abroad. Fix this (how? you got me, kidz) & you fix the offense.

I like your theory better. Also, when Joe gets rattled (early in Pitt game) he gets distracted. Hurries throws, misses throws, etc. And it doesn't help when you're playing the #1 defense in the league and the WR's aren't getting any separation.

**BcRaven** · 11-21-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by RavensNTerps

The following are the teams we've played and their ranking in the NFL in average QB rating against:

Bengals (21st)
Eagles (26th)
Patriots (24th)
Browns (12th)
Chiefs (30th)
Cowboys (17th)
Texans (7th)
Raiders (32nd)
Steelers (6th)

Not exactly murderer's row.

LOL with those (selective) stats. The one that counts is "8 - 2" vs. NFL teams... Bc

**RavensNTerps** · 11-21-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

LOL with those (selective) stats. The one that counts is "8 - 2" vs. NFL teams... Bc

Not selective. I was digging to figure out why Flacco has been strugglign so much and it seems to support my notion: He's an average QB. Against the bad teams, he'll do well, against the good defenses, not so much.

**leachisabeast** · 11-21-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by RavensNTerps

Not selective. I was digging to figure out why Flacco has been strugglign so much and it seems to support my notion: He's an average QB. Against the bad teams, he'll do well, against the good defenses, not so much.

How has Flacco struggled "so much" this year? He is having the best year of his career so far, despite one or two really bad games.

**pslholder96** · 11-21-2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by RavensNTerps

The following are the teams we've played and their ranking in the NFL in average QB rating against:

Bengals (21st)
Eagles (26th)
Patriots (24th)
Browns (12th)
Chiefs (30th)
Cowboys (17th)
Texans (7th)
Raiders (32nd)
Steelers (6th)

Not exactly murderer's row.

Epic fail. So at 8-2 Joe and the ravens should apologize?

**leachisabeast** · 11-21-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Epic fail. So at 8-2 Joe and the ravens should apologize?

It's pointless, almost all of his posts here are about how Flacco is just average etc... It's as if he just wants to be proven right about it, as if he wants Flacco to fail so he can tell us he told us so. Guarantee he won't post for a while the next big game Flacco has, or he'll just pull some meaningless stats that nobody really cares about to try and suggest that his good performance was only because said team are terrible.

**wickedsolo** · 11-21-2012, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by RavenousD

Didn't 2 QB's in San Diego flourish in Cam's system? One won a SB the other usually is in the top 5 QB rating in the league (usually)? Just wondering what system you speak of.

Huh?

Brees didn't win a SB with Cam. He won it in Sean Payton's offense...which is COMPLETELY different than Cam's.

And Rivers was good, but didn't experience his best play until after Cam left.

**purplepoe** · 11-21-2012, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

It's pointless, almost all of his posts here are about how Flacco is just average etc... It's as if he just wants to be proven right about it, as if he wants Flacco to fail so he can tell us he told us so. Guarantee he won't post for a while the next big game Flacco has, or he'll just pull some meaningless stats that nobody really cares about to try and suggest that his good performance was only because said team are terrible.

So what?

There is a very legitmate argument to be made that Flacco is indeed an average QB. Personally, I think he's a slightly above average QB but don't go crazy if someone thinks he's average. However, the furor it's met with around here is easy to see.

What is annoying is this notion that it's always someone else's fault when the offense looks bad yet all Joe when it goes well.

Hell, even when it goes well there are posters who will still rip Cameron and say Joe did it despite the offensive gameplan.

Most criticism of Flacco is met with an outrageous amount of defensiveness IMO.

Just what I see.

PP

**StingerNLG** · 11-21-2012, 07:16 PM

Good grief. If I'm Joe Flacco I'd say fuck this and let another team with a shitty QB sign me where the fan base actually appreciates me.

It still amazes me after all the crap quarterbacks that this city has had to endure that we have a winner and he gets shit on like this.

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**AirFlacco** · 11-21-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Good grief. If I'm Joe Flacco I'd say fuck this and let another team with a shitty QB sign me where the fan base actually appreciates me.

It still amazes me after all the crap quarterbacks that this city has had to endure that we have a winner and he gets shit on like this.

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Wouldn't surprise me if he did just that especially since breaking off negotiations.

**purplepoe** · 11-21-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Good grief. If I'm Joe Flacco I'd say fuck this and let another team with a shitty QB sign me where the fan base actually appreciates me.

It still amazes me after all the crap quarterbacks that this city has had to endure that we have a winner and he gets shit on like this.

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Perfect example.

Complete hyperbole.

Getting shit on?

The guy gets praised beyond belief on this board.

A little criticism and boom.

Do you really think the majority of the fan base doesn't appreciate him? Sure, there are some who are whacked out and say "he sucks" or whatever. Maybe that's just who people here.

Me? I see and hear FAR more people who love the guy.

PP

**purplepoe** · 11-21-2012, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Wouldn't surprise me if he did just that especially since breaking off negotiations.

For real?

This negotiation is all about $$.

People really think Flacco cares what Joe Blow for Dundalk or Jimmy from Parkville thinks of his play?

PP

**StingerNLG** · 11-21-2012, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by purplepoe

Perfect example.

Complete hyperbole.

Getting shit on?

The guy gets praised beyond belief on this board.

A little criticism and boom.

Do you really think the majority of the fan base doesn't appreciate him? Sure, there are some who are whacked out and say "he sucks" or whatever. Maybe that's just who people here.

Me? I see and hear FAR more people who love the guy.

PP

Whatever. Reason people have to run to his defense is because someone is calling him overrated or not good. Sorry, but I listen to enough radio to know I'm right here.

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**bacchys** · 11-21-2012, 09:12 PM

I think Flacco is a very good quarterback. The criticisms of him typically don't seem to take into account there are 10 other Ravens players on the field each offensive play- not to mention the 11 on the other side of the ball paid to disrupt the offense.

**jimmypowder** · 11-21-2012, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

Good grief. If I'm Joe Flacco I'd say fuck this and let another team with a shitty QB sign me where the fan base actually appreciates me.

It still amazes me after all the crap quarterbacks that this city has had to endure that we have a winner and he gets shit on like this.

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I could easily see Joe walking because I don't think he likes Cam's offense and play calling
and I think some teams like the Jets or Eagles will offer alot more money for him then we will .
The upcoming NFL draft is looking weak on QB's unlike this year's bumper crop so there
could be alot of bidders for his services.

**StingerNLG** · 11-21-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by jimmypowder

I could easily see Joe walking because I don't think he likes Cam's offense and play calling
and I think some teams like the Jets or Eagles will offer alot more money for him then we will .
The upcoming NFL draft is looking weak on QB's unlike this year's bumper crop so there
could be alot of bidders for his services.

But if he's being allowed to lobby for or call his own plays now, such as the 3rd and 2 call against the Steelers, then I don't think the Cam issue is there anymore.

I bet right now there are 9 teams easily who would love to have Flacco over their QB without even blinking an eye. The Eagles, Browns, Chiefs, Cardinals, Jaguars, Titans, Bills, 49ers, and Raiders would love to have Joe Flacco right now if he was available.

And if anyone here would rather have Michael Vick, whoever QB's the Browns (over multiple years), Matt Cassel, or Carson Palmer over Joe Flacco right now, than I have nothing for you. Right now the only QB's I would absolutely take over Flacco would be the obvious choices; Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and maybe Drew Brees.