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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh



    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    "Joke claim?" No, just an opinion. I thought that's what forums are for...exchanging them.

    We'll see how far playing not to lose takes the Ravens.
    This is why I said the Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco triumvirate will never win a SB. Playing scared does not bring championships. Never.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    This is why I said the Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco triumvirate will never win a SB. Playing scared does not bring championships. Never.
    So last year's AFCCG was Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco's fault? We HAD that game, Joe threw a damn good pass to Evans. If he holds onto it, we would have been playing the Giants. So how do you figure we will never win a SB with them? It was in our GRASP last year! I loathe Cam Cameron but even he isn't to blame 100% of the time...just 99%




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    T-82--
    Not trying to defend Cameron here, but I had a flashback as I read your comment, "Playing scared does not bring championships". I think a case could be made that the Ravens did something along that line with Dilfer at QB a dozen years ago, and a Super Bowl was won. Obviously the Defense that season was an anomaly, and special teams didn't seem to miss abeat, so I "pre-agree" that it's not a simple situation to explain, but OTOH, one could say that the Ravens 2000-2001 offense played "scared", AND won a championship.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    [QUOTE=wickedsolo;521279]They sure seemed to trust him last year in the road...in Pittaburgh...on a last minute drive ...


    Your point is slightly flawed wicked. When needing a TD to win the game with under 2 minutes you have no choice but to trust.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    They sure seemed to trust him last year in the road...in Pittaburgh...on a last minute drive ...


    Your point is slightly flawed wicked. When needing a TD to win the game with under 2 minutes you have no choice but to trust.
    Flacco threw the ball 47 times that game. And we were leading for most of it.
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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    but everything is Cam's fault, just read all of the threads on the board. That makes it Cams' fault that they won the game in Pitt




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    but everything is Cam's fault, just read all of the threads on the board. That makes it Cams' fault that they won the game in Pitt
    It was Tomlin's fault for keeping a hurt Leftwich in that we lost.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    It is a great blog post by Tony. It really hits the nail on the head about how our offensive "issues" are too complicated for simple "it is is X's fault" statements. This becomes apparent in all the heated threads about Cameron and Flacco and who is hurting whom more; threads that for the most part leave Harbaugh out of it.

    But Tony's blog correctly points out that Harbaugh has to enter the equation, and in a major way. Harbaugh can rightfully be blamed/credited for our "play it safe" philosophy, or our reluctance to move away from that philosophy (at least as rapidly as we could). It is also Harbaugh that could "solve" the Cameron "problem" if he felt that it was actually a significant problem.

    While I am 100% sure Tony will get flamed for violating the "Joe is above criticism" rule around here, that part of his blog is only a partial piece of his interesting take on exactly who or what (and by how much) can be deemed responsible for our offensive mediocrity.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Quackjack View Post
    It was Tomlin's fault for keeping a hurt Leftwich in that we lost.
    maybe Tomlins fault for not having cajones to go for it on 4th and 2 in the red zone when they had been running it down the field. I was so relieved he took the field goal




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    Quote Originally Posted by footballfan View Post

    Your point is slightly flawed wicked. When needing a TD to win the game with under 2 minutes you have no choice but to trust.
    Exactly. And the fact we succeed in such circumstances more than one would guess having watched all the minutes played while we don't "need" to score, makes one wonder if we should be "trying a little harder" to score from the opening whistle versus, say, trying to complete the game without committing a turnover.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    I disagree with the article. I don't care if Dickson was standing alone in the endzone, you take the sack and eat the clock up. If the throw was off, or more likely, Dickson drops the ball, the Steelers than have nearly two minutes to try and get a score. They should have just run the damn ball here.
    Then why even line up in shotgun and drop back if there is no situation where you would throw it? Joe could have fumbled or gotten hurt. If you are effectively forbidden to throw it then call a run play or take a knee.

    I would have run it for the very reason Tony mentions. Telling a guy like Flacco "only throw it if you are going to get the first down," effectively puts the entire responsibilty and risk on his shoulders. For Flacco (and a lot of other people/QBs) that directive is, in fact, the same as saying never throw it and eat the sack. Eating the ball when a guy is wide open is the "safe" thing to do.
    Last edited by Haloti92; 11-24-2012 at 01:21 PM.




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    Re: Ravens road woes on offense should be blamed on Harbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens27Girl View Post
    So last year's AFCCG was Harbaugh/Cameron/Flacco's fault? We HAD that game, Joe threw a damn good pass to Evans. If he holds onto it, we would have been playing the Giants. So how do you figure we will never win a SB with them? It was in our GRASP last year! I loathe Cam Cameron but even he isn't to blame 100% of the time...just 99%
    It shouldn't have been that close. Conservative first quarter play calling was awful...




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